WALTHER P99 .40
WALTHER P99 .40
You guys are killin' me. I like my Glocks.
I think the XD is a damned fine pistol, it just doesn't work for ME.
I own an HK USP 45C, but I don't carry it, as I prefer my Glock 30 in that platform (compact .45).
I never got warm and fuzzy over Sig due to their LOOOOOOOOOONG trigger pull and reset. That notwithstanding, they are also damned fine, and accurate pistols, and I know guys who use them to good effect. I would suspect I would like the Sig Pro no better, as it has the same trigger.
Say what you will about Ruger...they are bulletproof, and I have yet to see one have a meltdown.
Kahr...I have owned a pair, but they never replaced my G26, so I traded them off.
Kahr is NOT issued to 40,000+ NYPD officers...it is an OPTIONAL pistol for detectives, plainclothes, and off duty carry. Glock 17, and 19 are ISSUED pistols for uniformed officers and detectives. Some Smith & Wesson models are also on the "approved" list....the DAO models such as the 5946.
The point is: Use what works for you. A Sig or HK owner isn't a poser (poseur is the correct spelling), he just likes what he likes, and more power to him. Even MORE power to him IF he learns to employ it correctly, and safely.
The true poseur is the "Tactical Teddy" who buys ONLY because of brand, and outfits himself from head to toe in 5.11 Tactical gear for his forays to and from his cubicle in his dangerous urban accounting office. He never practices, never seeks to learn more about his weapon, and is more of a danger to himself and others than he is to a goblin in a real SHTF incident.
I'm not going to piss on anyone's choice in a personal defense weapon. I started carrying a Glock 17 under protest when the agency I worked for switched from the Smith & Wesson Model 13 3" .357 to the Glock in 1989. I didn't want a "damned plastic sissy pistol". But after getting to know the gun, and trust it, and eventually prefer it, even to my 1911's and beloved Browning Hi Power I have never looked back.
Now, retired due to an injury in the line of duty, and can carry any darned thing I please...I still carry a Glock (insert model here) depending upon my mood and where I am going. Often it is a Glock 30, but sometimes I carry a 17, 19, 21, or 23, or any of the others I have in my safe.
In literally hundreds of thousands of rounds, I have NEVER had a single failure of ANY kind with a Glock pistol. I still shoot steel matches every Tuesday night, and I still use a Glock.
But, there are a lot of shooters out there shooting HK, Sig, 1911 platforms, you name it to good advantage.
Are you talking about this guy???:The true poseur is the "Tactical Teddy" who buys ONLY because of brand, and outfits himself from head to toe in 5.11 Tactical gear for his forays to and from his cubicle in his dangerous urban accounting office. He never practices, never seeks to learn more about his weapon, and is more of a danger to himself and others than he is to a goblin in a real SHTF incident.
As I was leaving my house, I stuffed my Glock 10mm "man gun" Mexican style in my pants. My backup is a fully customized 1911 with all the IPSC add-on options in my $500.00 leather pancake holster custom made by Belgian Monks who have devoted their lives to silence and holster making. These are the ones used by SEAL Team 6, which I used to be a part of, but all records of my activities were destroyed in a fire "accident".
I put on my Royal Robbins photographer vest to match my pants while wearing a T-shirt underneath reading "From My Cold Dead Hands". That way, nobody can see what I'm packing.
I had my Centennial .38 Special in my ankle holster, just like the gun rag guys carry.
Lastly, I had my "Covert Sniper" I.D. Card in my wallet with my "Concealed Weapons Permit Badge". I was ready for anything.
I drove my Bug Out Truck to the 7-11 for some beer, 'cause you never know. It is a performance styled Subaru BRAT with 4 cylinders of ground pounding fury.
I pulled up to the 7-11 store and noticed a nefarious looking Girl Scout eyeballing me from the back of her mothers' SUV. A likely cover.
The mother returned to the truck and went for the keys in her purse, but I knew from my years of combat honed instincts that she was actually making a furtive movement for an offensive weapon.
I attempted a tactical shoulder roll, but fell flat on my face, kind of flopping on the pavement to avoid any incoming rounds and to make it look like I meant to do that. The store owner called 911, which is good because I then did a roll and attempted to draw my Glock.
Unfortunately, since I did not have a holster, the gun "went off", and the bullet creased my wiener. But I was prepared for that and bit down on a 9mm casing to take my mind off the pain as I dove for the garbage barrel.
That's when I noticed the Girl Scout shouting something to her mother who began to take cover. I knew they were closing on me so I drew my custom trusty 1911 Wilson Combat...I knew that they would be impressed with that. I then duck walked to the front of her SUV, but my gut kinda got in the way and I fell on my ass, which caused me to swallow my 9mm casing.
I then tried to roll to my right, but didn't want to scuff my holster, so I just threw myself into the telephone pole, but I landed on my right side anyway. So I fired one shot towards the woman's SUV to pin them down as I recovered my wind.
And before the mother knew what was happening, I charged her and I threw my groin into her knee. I knew that as I vomited on the ground in front of her that I had interupted her OODA loop. I had the advantage now. As she ran screaming for the Girl Scout, (I knew she was going for backup) I made for my Super Charged BRAT Tactical truck. I jumped into the drivers seat forgetting that I had left my rare Israeli contract AR 15 Bayonet on the seat, honed to a razor's edge. I could handle it though. Half of my ass is an implant from war wounds.
As I attempted to start my truck, police and paramedics arrived on the scene. My truck would not start and instead backfired once and caused the police to Tase me. At which point I tactically soiled myself while in convulsions. My custom 1911 then fell out the window, but I still had my Centennial .38. I knew that I had to take out the woman with the purse.
So I aimed my revolver at her at which point the first police officer fired once striking me in the chest. Fortunately, I was wearing my level 3A body armor. I didn't want to hurt the cops--they had obviously been duped by the evil temptress who was now embracing her partner in crime and crying to the police in the background. I knew it was a ruse.
I pulled out my concealed weapons permit badge and showed it to the officer who shot me and yelled out, "I'm one of you guys!". He continued to cover me and ordered me to drop my .38 so I laid it down. I still had my bayonet after all, attached to my ass. The cop walked toward me and upon reading the badge, maced me right in the eyes. Fortunately, my Oakley shooting glasses stopped most of the spray and I was able to rip free of the Taser cords easily. It only cost me one nipple, easily replaced. I dove for the passenger side of my truck and began to run zig-zag for a ditch. Unfortunately, the bayonet sticking out of my ass slowed me down. I knew it would have to be hand-to-hand now. I knew the cop coudn't take me when I saw he merely carried a Glock 17, not a man's gun. So I immediately threw my eye into his right hook, followed by a knee into his Mag light. As I lay thrashing on the ground, I took the heel of my Bates Enforcer boot and kicked at the cops ankle. I knew from my classified experiences in Tajikistan that once breaking the ankle, the cop would fall down and I could "stun kick" him in the head, knocking him out but not hurting him.
Apparently the cop had also been to Tajikistan because he side stepped me and struck me in the back with his ASP baton, but my trauma plate absorbed it. I then drew my Benchmade auto knife and was promptly tased again, but I was ready for it this time and only wet myself a little bit.
Next thing those cops knew, I was unconscious. That'll teach 'em.
Mr.MW1311 that's a great read.
That is one of the funniest things I've ever read!
I like to shoot them all, I'm not picking favorites on this one...I voted beretta, but sigpro is good, I like my USP, and a glock is okay with a grip reduction, haven't shot a XD or walther, but would probably like those also, my mountain eagle .22 from magnum research is fun and plastic also
ill take xd, glocks dont fit my hand very well at all, never even held an mp,i might like one.
MY HK USPC .45 and HK P2000SK .40
CCW - I carry the Kahr PM40... none better
To Hell and Back Survivability on your hip - SIG or Glock
My two cents....
I have a XD Tactical 9mm............enuff said!.......have a Glock also, just not my favorite, prefer my Rugers over it
None of the above, I prefer HK USPs.
Wow... since just August (my last post on this thread)...
Kahr PM40 (carry)
Sig P226 (range)
XD45 Service 4" (range/carry)
I vote XD
HK USPc's get my vote. Of the ones listed, the only one I've not had experience with is a Kahr. The rest of them are equally good IMO.
Man, U guys are crazy to not have Walther as #1...
glock the one and only
I wish I could vote in this poll, but my favorite isn't there. Of the ones listed I would have to choose the Springfield. But my favorite has got to be either the Witness P's or the Smith and Wesson Sigma's or M and P's. The Kimber KPD .40 deserves mention also.
Well, I have owned several "Tupperware" guns over the years. Most of them were Glocks. I sold those when I got my first Sigma Smith (40VE). I have had a couple XD's and I never could get that lovin' feelin' from either. That was a little heartbreaking being I have been a Springfield fan for years.
The lack of a hammer has been one of the biggest reasons I couldn't get totally comfortable with all the fore mentioned. The other day I found a new Browning Pro 40. This for me has the best feeling grip of all the plastics I have owned and/or fired to date. I love the de-cock that is very "Sig-like" and even has another back strap for those with smaller hands. The down side is I have had trouble finding things like a light or laser sight that will fit it perfect. I have found that looking for things for the FNP 40 (same gun-different color) made that a lot easier.
Best of all it shoots better than my 40VE and that is hands down the best gun of it's type I had ever shot. I don't know if many of y;all have had the chance to try one..but I think anyone that does will be presently surprised.
I didn't vote in this poll being I don't own any of the choices listed. If I had to it be a toss up between the XD and the Walther. Both are pretty nice shooters.As to Glock..I don't think I'll ever own another one. I just don't think they give me the bang for the buck. Don't get me wrong. I don't think they are junk..I just think for what you pay for them that they give me what I expect from a gun of it's type. Here's a couple pics for those that aint seen one yet
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If that's the case, where's Ruger? Their P95 is used by mechanized infantry divisions, and I've seen other P-series on LEO's hips. They are quite simply, and pun intended, the best bang for the buck. Now I'm not the biggest fan of their newer designs (the P345 and SR9) but once grips and other accessories designed for these guns become commonplace I bet I can make a 345 feel at home in my hand. And it's nice that the MD is removeable.The selection are real world pistols for real world folk....H&K, as well as the Sig line are not civilian friendly companies, nor do they market pistols that are realistically priced, nor any more reliable than the ones on the poll. The poll is a sampling of pistols that may be used by military and law enforcement, but also are not cost prohibitive for the average Wyatt Earp.
I think the confusion here comes from Army Tank-Automotive and Armament Command (TACOM) purchasing these pistols. TACOM is just the procurement arm of the Army. People see "Tank Command" and assume it's the higher HQ for our armor guys, but it's not. TACOM procures all the weapons for the Army, including those that are given to our allies. Those given to allies have included Sigmas, Ruger P95s and Glock 19s, and allies include indigenous forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. Those P95s went directly to Baghdad for issue to the Iraqi police.
I'm not real big on "Tupperware guns" personally but have had a few over the years. I have a Browning Pro 40 at the moment and it is a nice shooting pistol. Most all I've had were though. I'd more than likely lean to the XD being I'm a huge Springer fan to begin with.
Wow..I had posted here earlier..Dang old timers syndrome
Last edited by DevilsJohnson; 03-05-2008 at 01:09 AM. Reason: Get off my lawn! Damn kids and their balls