Originally Posted by Baldy

Indeed!

I find it humorous that dilitantes without hard evidence wish to parse words, engage in a pattern of immature fault finding, and generally get their panties in a wad over the fact that their fave poser toys were not included in the poll....I'm done here....have the response I needed, and have outed the boy warriors....next time, I'll post a poll with 200 choices, and I suspect there will be another group of 4-F(s) finding fault with the poll....lovely thing my America....even the most absurdly misinformed can voice a baseless point of view.

W T F O???

Makes me happy I dont want any tact. tupp.

....even the most absurdly misinformed can voice a baseless point of view.

As you seem to stand so proudly as a poster boy for.

Dorian

I don't like plastic pistols. But if I had to choose one, it'd be a SW99 chambered .45ACP or a Ruger 345.

Let us review.
The original question.

Originally Posted by Dustoff '68

There are a number of excellent polycarbonate pistols on the market, and I would like to know what the forum feels is the best of the bunch...post away amigos

The response.

Originally Posted by hberttmank

The question asked what I thought was the best of the bunch for plastic, and for me it is the H&K USP series. As far as a sampling of pistols that may be used by law enforcement or military since when did the Walther, Springfield XD or Kahr outsell H&K or Sig?

The reply.

Originally Posted by Dustoff '68

....the poll suggests who outsells who. In fact, I didn't ask that question. If you do a carefull search, you will find the pistols in the poll in the hands of more of the mentioned agencies than H&K and Sig...cost being one reason. No mention that Sig or H&K are inferior pistols...what is signficant is that if in fact Sig and H&K outsell all the others, then I suspect these pistols (and I see it on the ranges all the time) are in the hands of a boat load of posers, wannabees, and those who simply don't wince at the prices these guys sell for.

Dorian

XD45 service perfect hold and feel...for plastic...and 14 rds...HOLY SH*T!

I'm not even going to mention my plastic gun, but you can tell by my name what I have.

Originally Posted by Dustoff '68

I find it humorous that dilitantes without hard evidence wish to parse words, engage in a pattern of immature fault finding, and generally get their panties in a wad over the fact that their fave poser toys were not included in the poll....I'm done here....have the response I needed, and have outed the boy warriors....next time, I'll post a poll with 200 choices, and I suspect there will be another group of 4-F(s) finding fault with the poll....lovely thing my America....even the most absurdly misinformed can voice a baseless point of view.

I find this responce laughable........I belive it was you who initiated the name calling and so-called attacks..........

H&K and Sig represent a miniscule percentage insofar as use by the aforementioned agencies

I dont think so........perhaps not the largest %, but certainly not a 'miniscule' %.


JW out, I'm done arging its not worth the time effort.

Originally Posted by Dustoff '68

I find it humorous that dilitantes without hard evidence wish to parse words, engage in a pattern of immature fault finding, and generally get their panties in a wad over the fact that their fave poser toys were not included in the poll....I'm done here....have the response I needed, and have outed the boy warriors....next time, I'll post a poll with 200 choices, and I suspect there will be another group of 4-F(s) finding fault with the poll....lovely thing my America....even the most absurdly misinformed can voice a baseless point of view.

You are ridiculous...
You have yet to state any reason as to why people that own HK's and Sig's are "posers." You talk about hanging out with SEALs like you are a frickin eight year old. Are they your "base?" If you are basing your pistol choice off of what your "SEAL" friend's say then that would make you the poser.
So what kind of pistol do you use? Please enlighten me...

Lets not start a big brew-ha-ha over this.

Everyone here knows that I love the Walther P99. But, I will admit, that there are not many agencies that use them - None in the US that I know of. Some US agencies do carry the clone - the SW99, but not many.

Actually, customer service for HK has gotten a bad wrap. They may have been terrible in the past, but they are getting better. I dealt w/ them 1x earlier this year for a bad mag. Sig, on the other hand, seems to be going to hell w/ its customer service lately. I have no direct knowledge, but I have seen some ridiculous stories people have posted on other forums about how they were treated. Sig Pros are carried w/ some police agencies in the US.

Obciously, Glock has the biggest police % in the US. They offer their guns cheap, and have buy back programs for whatever guns an agency already has. A lot of agencies report issues w/ certain models, though. And, while I love my Glock 34, I prev had a Glock 26, and received crappy customer service from Glock. Not too happy w/ that.

Beretta - everyone knows they have the US military market... And, many agencies use them as well.

S&W - the new M&P is slowly gaining ground.

SPringfield XD - WHile officers can sometimes buy their own gun and carry it, I know of no departments in the US that SUPPLY the XD to their officers at the moment. There may be some, but I don't know them.

But, if the point of this thread is to talk about what agencies carry, HK would have more guns floating out there than the XDs - HK polymer guns have been sold for much longer. Also, tons more HKs floating around in police and military hands compared to Kahrs.

Originally Posted by Dustoff '68
I find it humorous that dilitantes without hard evidence wish to parse words, engage in a pattern of immature fault finding, and generally get their panties in a wad over the fact that their fave poser toys were not included in the poll....I'm done here....have the response I needed, and have outed the boy warriors....next time, I'll post a poll with 200 choices, and I suspect there will be another group of 4-F(s) finding fault with the poll....lovely thing my America....even the most absurdly misinformed can voice a baseless point of view.

Also, I take exception to this as well. I personally think if someone likes HK guns, that is their business. I must have missed the logic in the way this thread turned... How is someone who likes an HK a "poser."?!?! People spend tons of $ on 1911s. If someone wants to spend a little bit more and buy an HK, so what.

I take no issue with anyone preferring an H&K, Sig, or what friggin' ever...what I take exception to is how a couple of dilitantes took this thread in a new direction, and parsed my words, and read into every sentence something that was not their...like I said earlier....no point in dealing with amateurs.

Originally Posted by Dustoff '68

contribution to this thread....very informative.

You sir, are the one who started out with the derogatory comments.....

I simply stated my opinion in my first post on this thread. Just because you don't agree certainly makes niether of us wrong (there's more than one way to skin a cat my friend) the reason this thread has gone the direction it has is because its started has helped drag it that more that the other posters on it IMO.

Anyone who thinks that HK and Sig are not civilian friendly companies doen't make much sense.....they produce some of the most popular and reliable arms avalible.

As far as being cost prohibitive, thats doesn't make sense either. Both HK USPs and many Sig models can be had for under $700 new. Much less if you search the used market......


But, whatever, I'm just an amateur.......

Check this one out.



Nerf N-Strike Firefly Rev-8 Blaster

$19.44 at Walmart.

Eat your heart out shooters. It’s mine... all MINE!

Originally Posted by tnoisaw

Check this one out.



Nerf N-Strike Firefly Rev-8 Blaster

$19.44 at Walmart.

Eat your heart out shooters. It’s mine... all MINE!

Is this one for open carry or will it be your CCW?

Originally Posted by tnoisaw

Check this one out.



Nerf N-Strike Firefly Rev-8 Blaster

$19.44 at Walmart.

Eat your heart out shooters. It’s mine... all MINE!

Swweeeettttt!!!!

Originally Posted by jwkimber45

You sir, are the one who started out with the derogatory comments.....

I simply stated my opinion in my first post on this thread. Just because you don't agree certainly makes niether of us wrong (there's more than one way to skin a cat my friend) the reason this thread has gone the direction it has is because its started has helped drag it that more that the other posters on it IMO.

"Huh"?

Anyone who thinks that HK and Sig are not civilian friendly companies doen't make much sense.....they produce some of the most popular and reliable arms avalible.

"And this is where the problem lies...you have a resentment over my comments about H&K and Sig."

As far as being cost prohibitive, thats doesn't make sense either.

"Sure they are...that's the PRIMARY reason they are rarely found as issue guns worldwide...at the moment, neither one is in the running for the next generation US military pistol contract


But, whatever, I'm just an amateur.......

"And, finally we can agree...the choo choo train leaves in an hour...be on it!"

Originally Posted by scooter

Is this one for open carry or will it be your CCW?

You know I thought it would be for CCW but I'll be darned if I could find a holster. Maybe Mike Barham at Galco knows of one.

Originally Posted by tnoisaw

Check this one out.
Nerf N-Strike Firefly Rev-8 Blaster

$19.44 at Walmart.

Eat your heart out shooters. It’s mine... all MINE!

That's fancy. It has a skeletonized trigger, sidesaddle, heat shields, and what sorta looks like a tac rail.

Originally Posted by Dustoff '68

....no point in dealing with amateurs.

I just don't know what to say anymore. You are being disrespectful to our members just because of what they choose to carry. You do not even state any reason as to why you consider them "posers." Maybe there are better pistols then the ones you listed. Can you not handle that? If not, then don't ask for people's opinions...

Originally Posted by -gunut-

I just don't know what to say anymore. You are being disrespectful to our members just because of what they choose to carry. You do not even state any reason as to why you consider them "posers." Maybe there are better pistols then the ones you listed. Can you not handle that? If not, then don't ask for people's opinions...

Well said. This dude knows NOTHING about me, my expeience, my level of expertise when it comes to handguns, nothing. I assume he has the same level of knowledge about most of the members here.

And yet because we don't agree with him we are amatures and 'posers'


I don't get it??? I thought we lived in a free country where we can each have his/her own views on just about any subject, but I guess some don't feel that way.

Well, we all know all ya'll guys are crazy because U don't own a P99

Originally Posted by Shipwreck

Well, we all know all ya'll guys are crazy because U don't own a P99

LOL!!! Thats what I hear!!! Too funny!!!

Originally Posted by Shipwreck

Well, we all know all ya'll guys are crazy because U don't own a P99

Does my SW99 count ?