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      Quote Originally Posted by margaret21 View Post
      Guys, give reference the best handgun for beginner please
      Ruger SP101 .22 lr is probably the best decently priced widely available .22 lr revolver

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      Today--that would be NIghthawk. Their CS is great. The guns are a bit overpriced in MHO BUT I do love to play withthem

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      Quote Originally Posted by margaret21 View Post
      Guys, give reference the best handgun for beginner please
      Assuming that you will be taking a firearms safety course as any beginner should. I'd recommend a 9mm Glock G19. Simple to use, very little recoil, short light trigger pull. Not knowing you and depending on your interest in firearms this may be the only gun you'll buy. It will provide you with a good personal self defense weapon from the get go. You may also want to look at the Springfield XDM series which is similar to the Glock except it has a grip safety or better yet a Sig P320 in 9mm . They are all "striker fire" pistols which have a shorter lighter trigger pull which is easier for a beginner to master.

      While a .22 may be great for a beginner, however as I mentioned above this may be the only gun you will own or at least for awhile. In which case if your life ever depended on it in the meantime a .22 would be woefully inadequate for self defense.

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      Application is important.

      For a youth, it would be a .22 revolver. Ruger.

      For an advanced youth a .22 semi, like Ruger, Beretta, Smith, Browning.


      For a first time shooter, do not buy a pistol yet. Get to a range with a competent instructor and get some training.

      Then decide just what you want a handgun for. Target, self-defense, competition. Maybe you just want to be familiar with handguns in order to be safe around them.

      Go back to the range and try some more.


      Likely you'll settle on a .22 for target, a 9mm or .38 special for self defense, and if you compete.... well there's lots of help by looking at who's winning.

      Again Ruger has some very fine economical offerings, but your talents and application should count more than just the price.


      CZ, Beretta, Glock, S&W, HK, are all fine choices. So do your homework and dig through the many threads here.

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      Quote Originally Posted by desertman View Post
      Assuming that you will be taking a firearms safety course as any beginner should. I'd recommend a 9mm Glock G19. Simple to use, very little recoil, short light trigger pull. Not knowing you and depending on your interest in firearms this may be the only gun you'll buy. It will provide you with a good personal self defense weapon from the get go. You may also want to look at the Springfield XDM series which is similar to the Glock except it has a grip safety or better yet a Sig P320 in 9mm . They are all "striker fire" pistols which have a shorter lighter trigger pull which is easier for a beginner to master.

      While a .22 may be great for a beginner, however as I mentioned above this may be the only gun you will own or at least for awhile. In which case if your life ever depended on it in the meantime a .22 would be woefully inadequate for self defense.
      Totally disagree, the 22 is a formidable round where shot placement is very critical. The velocity on a 22 is made for a better trajectory.
      I would win a gunfight against a glock 26 at 50 yards everytime

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      Quote Originally Posted by pic View Post
      Totally disagree, the 22 is a formidable round where shot placement is very critical. The velocity on a 22 is made for a better trajectory.
      I would win a gunfight against a glock 26 at 50 yards everytime
      They are lethal, I'll give you that.

      However, you do not see too many law enforcement or military personnel carrying .22's and for good reason. Suppose an assailant is all doped up on pain killers or mind altering drugs as many of them are during the commission of a violent crime? They may not even realize that they've been shot. Only to expire a few hours later due to blood loss. There have been many instances of people getting hit multiple times with more formidable rounds than a .22 and still not going down. At least not immediately, they may still have enough time to either kill or seriously injure you. Not only that the sight of a .22 is not very intimidating especially to a criminal who has survived getting shot or stabbed before as many of them have. For a lot of them the sight of a weapon just does not scare them. Just ask any cop who has had to shoot someone before. If just the sight of a cops weapon was enough to stop or scare them the cop wouldn't have had to shoot them in the first place.

      Indeed shot placement is critical even more so with a .22, especially if you're good enough to drill a few rounds into a moving target's eye sockets or nostrils. Or if you're lucky enough to hit an aorta. Which I doubt most people are. If you happen to engage an assailant at 50 yards with a .22, I would think that you'd be in for some pretty deep shit. At that distance it is hardly likely that your life would be in immediate danger. Unless of course you're engaged in a war. In which case you'd be better off with a rifle. You may be able to hit a stationary target more accurately at 50 yards with a .22 pistol as it has less recoil and is easier to control. But at say, 21 feet or less it ain't gonna' make a damn bit of difference. Trajectory is meaningless at close range. The whole objective is to stop your assailant as quickly as possible in which case the largest caliber that one can handle accurately at that distance is the best choice. So I guess I'm not quite ready to give up my .45's anytime soon for a .22.

      There's no question about it a 115, 200 or 230 grain bullet is going to do far more damage at close range and have more stopping power than a 40 grain bullet, especially out of a pistol. They have much more kinetic energy. A 9mm is a caliber that most people with a little bit of training can handle and shoot pretty accurately at self defense distances. That's why I recommended that to someone who is a beginner and may only own one handgun. I could never in good conscience suggest anything less.
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      that's interesting

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      Walther, Sig, HK, Ed Brown

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      A few years ago I would have voted for Beretta but now I have to go with SIG-Sauer.

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      Ruger, but S&W & Beretta are close second and third.

      I find myself getting a higher and higher proportion of Rugers

      in my overall collection, as time goes on.

      desertman, you DO realize the FN 5.7 is, essentially, a 22 magnum,

      right?

      I would submit that in the event you are faced with somebody who is willing to

      ignore their wounds, through either drugs or anger, few calibers are going to stop

      them, short of that CNS hit.

      Any reasonable person's priorities are going to change, the moment they are shot.

      But there isn't a caliber you can carry, which will save you from suicidal stupidity.

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      Beretta, SIG, Kimber. In no particular order.

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      Quote Originally Posted by therewolf View Post

      desertman, you DO realize the FN 5.7 is, essentially, a 22 magnum,

      right?

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      Um, no they are not.

      Inevitably, Kel-Tec’s new .22 Magnum (WMR) chambered PMR-30 pistol will be compared to the FN Five-seveN pistol which fires the ballistically similar 5.7x28mm cartridge. If people are not saying it now, they will be soon saying that the .22 Magnum is the same as the 5.7x28mm. I used to say the same thing. It turns out that this is far from the truth.

      Kel-Tec have stated [PDF Link] that a 40 grain .22 WMR round should reach a velocity of 1230 fps from the 4.3″ barrel of their PMR-30 pistol. This works out to 134.40 ft/lbs of energy.

      This is a significantly less than the FN Five-seveN USG (4.75″ barrel), which can push a 40 grain bullet at 2009 fps. This works out to 358.57 ft/lbs! Nearly three times as powerful as the .22 WMR!

      This does not mean that the .22 WMR is not a good cartridge. It simply means that the 5.7mm is optimized to be fired from a pistol, rather than the slower burning .22 WMR loads which are designed to be fired from a rifle. Myth Busting: .22 Magnum vs. 5.7x28mm - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog

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