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    Decisions, decisions, decisions, .40 or .45, Sig, Springfield, or Glock?

    Alright guys, I've asked a few questions regarding this before but I think I'm finally ready to buy another hand gun!?!

    I purchased my Beretta px4 storm (full size 9mm) and love it a few months ago but I would like to broaden my collection.

    I'm somewhat on a budget but if its worth the extra few hundred bucks to save, maybe I'll get Sig? I've also been taken back by the Springfield Xdm select. I'm leaving towards a .40 cal due to the price and availability of ammo. I was a fan of Glock but the safety interlocks I've stated before? I dunno.

    Other thing is, I have a full size Beretta, would you explore your options and get something a lil more concealable? Decisions, decisions!

    Anyone with some advice and would like to share, please take the conch! Thanks in advance guys!

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    Sig's (i own a P229) are overrated and over priced in my opinion. are they good guns? yes. are they worth the "status" they seem to have? debatable. you are concerned about external safeties so that nix's the Sig in your book i think. the one feature my Sig has that i really like is the decocker.

    Springfield's - i have no real opinion since i don't own one, never have owned one and have never even fondled one at the fun store. maybe another will chime in on this.

    Glock's (i own a Mdl 22 and a Mdl 27) are, in my opinion, the AK of handguns. they are inexpensive, robust, easy to maintain and reliable. EVERY TIME i pull the trigger on one of mine, it fires. i cannot say that about the 20 other handguns i own. sure they have no external safety but there is an old saying that applies here......"keep your booger hook off of the bang switch until you are ready to fire". that is the most reliable safety you can ever have.

    .40 S&W or .45 ACP? i think the .45 ACP round is overrated as well (ducks the rocks being thrown from the gallery! ). bigger is not always better when talking firearm projectiles (or rocks), but shot placement is. putting rounds center mass is the key and even the lowly .22lr will kill a critter just as dead. still, this is your choice.

    since you live in the communist state of California where the right that shall not be infringed is infringed harder than it is out here in the flyover states, buying a pistol based on concealability is a moot point and seems to me to be a waste of time.

    in the end, go try on all of the pistols that you are considering and get the one that fits you best.

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    Glock Glock Glock Glock Glock!!!!!!!!!!

    Springfield XDm is good too, just make sure you get the (m) versions, I love the grip on those so much

    Sigs are good but very expensive...! I would get a Sig over a XDm, but for the money you cannot beat a glock

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    Beretta 96 inox..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakeleinen1 View Post
    Glock Glock Glock Glock Glock!!!!!!!!!!

    Springfield XDm is good too, just make sure you get the (m) versions, I love the grip on those so much

    Sigs are good but very expensive...! I would get a Sig over a XDm, but for the money you cannot beat a glock
    Glock's are nice, like I stated the safety interlocks aren't really up to snuff. We'll see maybe I need more practice.

    How much roughly are a .40 cal Sig, or a .40 springfield xdm?

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    I have a Glock 21C, a Sig P250C (.40 cal.) and recently acquired a SA XD-45.

    If I was told that I could only have one, it would be a tough decision. I really do like my SIG for it's compactness and functionality.

    Crap.....I hate having to make decisions.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLAGuy View Post
    Glock's are nice, like I stated the safety interlocks aren't really up to snuff.
    oh do tell us how they are not up to snuff? are you having trouble with a Glock just going off randomly?

    and the Sig has to be off you list too since i can't for the life of me find ANY sort of safety on my P229 except for the booger hook one.

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    If you thought you already confused??? H & K USP Compact. A tough built gun. With the decocker & safety you can carry in a variety of ways.

    DA / SA (with or without safety)
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    Cocked & Locked

    Good Luck & Play Safe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broondog View Post
    oh do tell us how they are not up to snuff? are you having trouble with a Glock just going off randomly?

    and the Sig has to be off you list too since i can't for the life of me find ANY sort of safety on my P229 except for the booger hook one.
    Just for the record, your 229 (and mine too) has several safeties; an intercept notch on the hammer to hold the hammer away from the firing pin to help make the gun drop safe, and catch the hammer as it falls when being decocked, the decocker itself lowers the hammer safely, the disconnector lifts the trigger bar when the slide is moved out of battery to prevent firing out of battery and a firing pin block that prevents the firing pin from moving forward unless the trigger is pulled. And when you holster the 229 you can place your thumb on or alongside the hammer and feel it begin to move rearward if something in the holster, or a misplaced trigger finger gets in between the edge of the holster while still in the trigger guard.

    But I still agree with you; I carry one of two Sigs or a Glock - finger off the trigger keeps the gun from going bang until you want it to - regardless of the mfr.

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    Features and "natural point" made the XD a clear choice for me.

    And I still have issues that "the trigger *_is_* the safety" for glocks. Yea, that makes sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40inAVL View Post
    Features and "natural point" made the XD a clear choice for me.

    And I still have issues that "the trigger *_is_* the safety" for glocks. Yea, that makes sense
    Not sure why it doesn't make sense. "The trigger" has been the "safety" for revolvers for many, many years as it is for DA/SA Sigs, for Glocks and several other pistols.

    Knowing and applying the rules of gun safety to gun handling is where the "safe" part comes in, regardless of the gun design. Nothing wrong with an external safety, but that doesn't make guns without them inherently unsafe. However, unsafe gun handling (such as finger on the trigger when not on target) can make any of them a hazard to be around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteamboatWillie View Post
    Just for the record, your 229 (and mine too) has several safeties; an intercept notch on the hammer to hold the hammer away from the firing pin to help make the gun drop safe, and catch the hammer as it falls when being decocked, the decocker itself lowers the hammer safely, the disconnector lifts the trigger bar when the slide is moved out of battery to prevent firing out of battery and a firing pin block that prevents the firing pin from moving forward unless the trigger is pulled. And when you holster the 229 you can place your thumb on or alongside the hammer and feel it begin to move rearward if something in the holster, or a misplaced trigger finger gets in between the edge of the holster while still in the trigger guard.

    But I still agree with you; I carry one of two Sigs or a Glock - finger off the trigger keeps the gun from going bang until you want it to - regardless of the mfr.
    my point was that there is no magical safety switch for the OP to comfort himself with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broondog View Post
    my point was that there is no magical safety switch for the OP to comfort himself with.
    And I agree. I'm just saying that modern semi-auto handguns generally have several "safeties". So I don't believe that NOT having an external safety on a Glock or Sig makes them any less safe than other service pistols.

    Unless the user follows basic safety rules ANY person (not the gun) can be unsafe using a firearm.

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    Mr LAGuy,,you state you already have a full size carry gun. Sounds like you are looking for a more concealable firearm. What mode of carry are you considering? How do you carry your full size px4?
    Is your current mode of carry comfortable?. For the warm summer days what is your mode of carry?

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