I'm pretty sure that open carry is legal in ND with a carry permit, so perhaps your instructor imbelished just a bit on the printing issue. If you have a statute available that penalized printing, I'd love to see it.

As for the guns, the Xdm-9 is available in a compact model, you didn't say which exact model but I'm guessing the full size?

Other guns worth taking a look at are the S&W M&P series, those can be had with a thumb safety. The Sheild is a pretty nice little piece and is worth chcecking out.

Springfield should be releasing the XDS in other calibers soon.

Beretta has some nice pistols, on the smaller side is the Nano.

Originally Posted by Fishwiz4

I recently took my classes and will start carrying soon. I currently have an xdm9 that I enjoy shooting, and shoot well, but it is bit an ideal carry gun. In ND there is no le-way for printing so I need to find a gun that I can conceal very well. I am considering a springfield CDs. I also like some of the smaller 9mm guns like the Kel-tec, kahr, or s&w.

I like the idea of having the grip safety on the xds, and I also like the .45 caliber, but it might be nice to have another gun that uses the same ammo as my current gun.

I will not carry every day all day (work will not allow), but I hope to carry often when I am not working.

I'm looking for recommendations about what guns to look at. I plan on renting a few before I buy, but not sure where to start.

I've heard of the term "printing", but I'm not sure it has the same connotation that you are using above.

Enlighten me if you would.

Printing is when you can see the outline of a weapon through your clothes. Tight shirts and wind can cause this to happen.


I spent some time looking into open carry in ND and I think it is very unclear. I sent an email to the attorney general's office asking for clarification. From what I read, subsection 2 of chapter 62.1-03 says that if you have a Ccw permit subsection 1 does not apply. But this is an assumption, and I need clarification from authorities before I will test it.

Originally Posted by Fishwiz4

Printing is when you can see the outline of a weapon through your clothes. Tight shirts and wind can cause this to happen.


I spent some time looking into open carry in ND and I think it is very unclear. I sent an email to the attorney general's office asking for clarification. From what I read, subsection 2 of chapter 62.1-03 says that if you have a Ccw permit subsection 1 does not apply. But this is an assumption, and I need clarification from authorities before I will test it.

Yeah, I knew what it meant, but wasn't sure how it applied to a CCW permit. I'm going to assume that ND doesn't want you to carry even with a CCW, if your weapon is visible via printing.

In ND your weapon cannot be discernable by average passerbys. It does nitty have to be perfectly invisible. The instructor at my class said that there have been many issues involving printing.

But as I do more research, I am unclear if ND is a open carry (with a permit) state. If open carry it's allowed, then printing should not be a problem.

Originally Posted by Fishwiz4

In ND your weapon cannot be discernable by average passerbys. It does nitty have to be perfectly invisible. The instructor at my class said that there have been many issues involving printing.
But as I do more research, I am unclear if ND is a open carry (with a permit) state. If open carry it's allowed, then printing should not be a problem.

Originally Posted by Fishwiz4

Printing is when you can see the outline of a weapon through your clothes. Tight shirts and wind can cause this to happen.
I spent some time looking into open carry in ND and I think it is very unclear. I sent an email to the attorney general's office asking for clarification. From what I read, subsection 2 of chapter 62.1-03 says that if you have a Ccw permit subsection 1 does not apply. But this is an assumption, and I need clarification from authorities before I will test it.

Nobody here is competent to answer such legal questions.
That leaves you three possibilities:
• Ask your state Attorney General's office for clarification again, provided to you in writing.
• Ask an attorney, at your own expense.
• Do your own research. Every state publishes its laws and regulations on its own website. There is always a searchable index. Gun laws are frequently found under the "Criminal Law" heading.

This may answer your question or may add more questions on your choosing a ccw pistol.

I am in Texas and we, also, do have to be able to conceal without showing a outline of the conceal carry too.
This is one of the reasons why I chose a Keltec P11 and/or Keltec P32. The P11 allows for normal cloths conceal while the P32 allows for summer conceal better than the P11. I am a medium size build frame. These 2 pistols costs under $450 for both.
The best advise I can give you is to locate a pistol range which rents the pistols and try them out. That is what I did on the P11.

I forgot to include the fact that I handled the pistol and felt the size in my hand, thought about the concealment options, and tested the recoil factor before choosing it.

Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1

Nobody here is competent to answer such legal questions.
That leaves you three possibilities:
• Ask your state Attorney General's office for clarification again, provided to you in writing.
• Ask an attorney, at your own expense.
• Do your own research. Every state publishes its laws and regulations on its own website. There is always a searchable index. Gun laws are frequently found under the "Criminal Law" heading.

My intent was not to ask advice here about the law, sorry it got off course. I did contact the attorney general and they told me they were unable to give any legal advice. I am currently looking for a lawyer with experience with ND gun laws.

I handled a ruger lc9 last night. Came with a side mounted LaserLyte for $400 at gander mountain. I like the feel and price, but I am going to try to shoot one first.

Any experience with the lc9?