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    I think that their missing the fact that, this crazy sob could have walked in with those handguns that he had, without the AR, and done as much carnage, if not more. He could have walked in with a regular .308 hunting rifle and done the same thing, with the same amount of deaths. Why would you give up your weapon? Out of guilt? Do you feel as if your doing someone a favor? Is it a numbers game now? If you have an AR, and can kill 30 people, or you have 2 handguns, and kill 27? We should all realize that the government is going to slowly pick away at your gun rights, because of incidents like this I, for one, wouldn't even remotely entertain the idea of giving up one of my firearms. THE TYPE OF FIREARM ISN'T THE PROBLEM.
    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    Even if all crime suddenly disappeared, why on earth would you be willing to surrender your firearms? Don't you enjoy shooting them, holding them, looking at them, and just admiring them? Even if no more crimes were committed, wouldn't you want to still enjoy something you have been enjoying? If no one was ever injured or killed in car accidents and mass transit was available everywhere, would you be willing to give up your car?

    Am I missing something here?

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    Re: Regarding the Sandy Hill School massacre

    Social studies that's the class where they talked about the lying cheating racist that accidental set us on a path that to being a world power who possess personal freedoms. That were now trying to correct if I follow the current atmosphere of the country correctly. I'm mean gun control has such nice ring, where mental health means we would have look at each other observe, figure out who we think are safe, and who we think are dangerous. Maybe we would place labels and be forced to look at our loved ones a little different. You know act like a society that cares about each other on more then just the week after a tragic event. It easier for some just to point a finger and try to remove freedoms from another then to look at them selves and say could I have done something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genesis View Post
    Thanks Rex. I thought about that. One suggestion I read said to keep it under 4 paragraphs. But I just had to much to say. I'm hoping other members will use some or all of this in a letter to their representatives. Or at least it will give them some ideas on what to write.

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    I know how you feel,emotions and passion come out trying to make them see the light,but Carrol Ann isn't here.The real sad part is they know exactly what we and the statistics are saying,but it threatens their agenda.Think England,Germany,Russia,Australia,etc.etc. That's what pisses me right the F off,how many places are already living the way they want now?You want it,get the hell out and leave us alone,wasn't this the reason for the American Revolution?Yes,but woosy liberals and the brainwashed entitlement generation fuel their cause.Sickening when those that do know the real gig ignore it for personal gain,but what's implorable are the brainwashed sheeple that are just plain old too stupid to understand pure common sense and facts from their own leaders' statistics that prove our point,and their pea brain either really doesn't get it or they're just too much a waste of oxygen to get off their lazy ass and discover what dignity is to actually earn what you have.

    I can't believe someone said they'd give up their "assault weapon" over this to make a concession-are you for friggin' real?As Southernboy stated it isn't an assault weapon,so that means you paid real good money,paid a tax stamp,a serious background check to be proven worthy of owning it,and you'll just hand it over?You really need to hand over all your guns and hang with the Libs because they have definately gotten into your head.How many people have died from assault weapons,do you know?More hunters shoot themselves or someone else throughout this country in one year's hunting season than those that have been killed by an evil looking gun in years as an off the top of my head guess.Now throw in NDs by cops and civies and you're way off base.

    You do realize that drunk drivers,doctor and swimming pools kill more people per year than guns,so I guess by this logic we need to go back to horse and carriage,snake oil remedies and fill in the pools in the back yard.How's that set with you?

    Let's throw history into this mix.There are evil people all over the world and have been since the start,the Crusades,Nazis,Communists mean anything?Lets outlaw guns,collect every one on the planet and destroy them (good freakin'luck with that happening).Now,crime will stop right?Dumbass,we'll be back to blades and swords and when they're destroyed as guns we're back to stones and sticks.Well,when it gets back to the stones,are you going to hold God accountable because he made them?Hope you're an athiest dude.

    Sorry for the rant but this stuff goes beyound pissing me off.Guess what,I have a safe full of guns and at least one at ready now but I'm not going out to kill people.Come on,turn off the alphabet news propaganda and think for yourself,that's why we invented all this neat crap and not monkeys.

    Having said that,this is a real tragedy and is downright sick,but it isn't the first by far,isn't the last,and isn't the worst.Until Judgement day,or you believe the good aliens will come and enlighten us,it will continue and more than likely get worse.The world is falling apart if nobody noticed,worse is yet to be seen.There are thousands of gun laws in this country now,one more will help,really?It isn't the cop's or the government's job to protect you,realize it if you don't,and it will never happen.History is your best teacher because it repeats itself,what not to do has been staring us all in the face if we'd pay attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtguns View Post
    I personally think that some of you miss the mark about the second amendment. Its not about hunting, or sports shooting. Its about our god given rights that are insured by the constitution. The framers of the constitution placed it in the bill of rights so that the citizens of the United States of America would have one last recourse against at goverment that could be too intusive in our daily lives. Today the citizens of the USA could if united would be the largest army in the world and return our country to what it should be, and has prevented any invasion into our country for years (remember WWII) nobody wants to wake the sleeping giant. Just remember it our rights as granted by our creator, and only insured by the consitution not granted by the consitution.
    but that my 2 cents worth
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    Yes sir I'm sure that most on this site know all of this.

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    After reading responses on other forum where people are saying they already have their guns, so they don't care what happens now, I thought I'd weigh in with a thought. We need to use our "voice" to stop gun control rather than simply thinking we have ours so it doesn't matter. It does matter, not just from a weapon and magazine capacity standpoint, but from a government control standpoint. Where does it stop? Below is a copy of a letter I sent to both my state and federal representative. If they hear from enough sane people, we can influence them to do what is right.

    Rather than spending time writing to each other about what we have (preaching to the choir), take time to write to your representatives and fight for your rights.

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    We are all shocked and saddened by the terrible killings in Newtown. My wife and I are still struggling to cope with it. And as a parent of young children, I can't imagine what those poor children experienced, and what their parents and families are going through now. It is very hard to deal with even a week later. We think about it constantly.

    But contrary to what we are hearing in the media and by the liberals in government, the true root cause of what happened in Newtown was that young man was very disturbed, and he had evil in his heart. The fact he used guns to carry out his evil act is really not relevant. They were tools, not unlike a knife or any other weapon. If he chose, he could have used a car to harm and kill.

    I would ask that you help your colleagues to think clearly once they have worked through their emotional response. There is much talk about gun control and the elimination of certain weapons. Some would like to see the elimination of all weapons. While I think there is more to do to ensure guns don't get in the wrong hands, no matter what is done tragedies like Newtown won't be avoided by gun control. He did not buy those weapons. And I believe that most gun crimes are committed by people who don't own the gun legally. Responsible people who buy guns legally are not the problem. Semi-automatic handguns are not the problem. Bad people are the problem.

    We all know there are a lot of mentally sick people out there. There always has been and always will be. They will find a way to do what they do, with or without tougher gun control. But having said that, nation wide we could do more thorough background checks, similar to Illinois where we must apply for a FOID card and have a criminal background check completed before we can buy a gun or ammunition. But what we cannot do is infringe on our 2nd Amendment right in response to the small percentage of tragedies committed by really bad people. The city of Chicago is a perfect example of tougher gun control, and yet there is more gun crimes than any other city.

    Please influence your peers and our federal government leaders to do the right thing that gets at the root of the problem, and that is how to identify and help those very troubled people before they act. There were signs in this case, much like there have been with others in the past. We need to act on those signs, not the instruments used by those deranged individuals.

    Thanks in advance for the work you will do to ensure we have the right laws and focus in place, as well as in protecting our 2nd Amendment rights.

    I hope you and your family are able to appreciate what we all have and enjoy the rest of the holiday season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USA_SHARK View Post
    After reading responses on other forum where people are saying they already have their guns, so they don't care what happens now, I thought I'd weigh in with a thought. We need to use our "voice" to stop gun control rather than simply thinking we have ours so it doesn't matter. It does matter, not just from a weapon and magazine capacity standpoint, but from a government control standpoint. Where does it stop? Below is a copy of a letter I sent to both my state and federal representative. If they hear from enough sane people, we can influence them to do what is right. Rather than spending time writing to each other about what we have (preaching to the choir), take time to write to your representatives and fight for your rights.
    ==================================================
    We are all shocked and saddened by the terrible killings in Newtown. My wife and I are still struggling to cope with it. And as a parent of young children, I can't imagine what those poor children experienced, and what their parents and families are going through now. It is very hard to deal with even a week later. We think about it constantly. But contrary to what we are hearing in the media and by the liberals in government, the true root cause of what happened in Newtown was that young man was very disturbed, and he had evil in his heart. The fact he used guns to carry out his evil act is really not relevant. They were tools, not unlike a knife or any other weapon. If he chose, he could have used a car to harm and kill. I would ask that you help your colleagues to think clearly once they have worked through their emotional response. There is much talk about gun control and the elimination of certain weapons. Some would like to see the elimination of all weapons. While I think there is more to do to ensure guns don't get in the wrong hands, no matter what is done tragedies like Newtown won't be avoided by gun control. He did not buy those weapons. And I believe that most gun crimes are committed by people who don't own the gun legally. Responsible people who buy guns legally are not the problem. Semi-automatic handguns are not the problem. Bad people are the problem. We all know there are a lot of mentally sick people out there. There always has been and always will be. They will find a way to do what they do, with or without tougher gun control. But having said that, nation wide we could do more thorough background checks, similar to Illinois where we must apply for a FOID card and have a criminal background check completed before we can buy a gun or ammunition. But what we cannot do is infringe on our 2nd Amendment right in response to the small percentage of tragedies committed by really bad people. The city of Chicago is a perfect example of tougher gun control, and yet there is more gun crimes than any other city. Please influence your peers and our federal government leaders to do the right thing that gets at the root of the problem, and that is how to identify and help those very troubled people before they act. There were signs in this case, much like there have been with others in the past. We need to act on those signs, not the instruments used by those deranged individuals. Thanks in advance for the work you will do to ensure we have the right laws and focus in place, as well as in protecting our 2nd Amendment rights. I hope you and your family are able to appreciate what we all have and enjoy the rest of the holiday season.
    Excellent letter Shark. I'm hoping all of our forum members will write letters.

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