
Recoil: A different way to think about it
what do you think about this?
This is basically for some of the people that are new to guns.
I was thinnking about recoil, due to some recent threads, and was wondering about the weight of the gun vs the muzzle energy (ftlbs/oz), lets just call it FPPO, foot pounds per ounce. The FPPO can give and insight to how much recoil will be felt  lower FPPO the lower the recoil
I had an LCP and sold it due to hurting the hand  not a gun to shoot or an hour!
so for the cartridges I used:
200 ftlbs for 380  about the max for 380s
320 or 9mm  about mid range for 9mm
352 for 45ACP  about mid range for 45acp
what i found was
ruger LCP gave 21.3 FPPO
kahr CM9 gave 20.1 FPPO
sig 938 gave 20 FPPO
S&W Shield gave 16.8 FPPO
S&W 380 bodyguard gave 16.3 FPPO
Glock 19 gave 15.2 FPPO
Glock 17 gave 14.5 FPPO
sig 238 gave 12.8 FPPO
sig 238 HD gave 10 FPPO
kimber 45acp SSII gave 9 FPPO
so the sig 238 HD gives 53% less recoil, and the std 45acp govt model gives 58% less recoil, than the LCP
the std 1911 45acp govt model is less recoil than the glock 17  guess that's why we often call the 1911 recoil as a PUSH
hotter ammo obviously gives higher FPPO values 

oh  one more thing
my wife wants a 380, with stainless steel, and easy to rack the slide
looks like the sig 238HD is for her
once i get it and she shoots it  wait till I tell her its the same amount of recoil as a 1911 govt model (hehehe)

Has she ever handled a Ruger SR40? Bought the wife one, and she loves it....so do I....
Originally Posted by hideit
oh  one more thing
my wife wants a 380, with stainless steel, and easy to rack the slide
looks like the sig 238HD is for her
once i get it and she shoots it  wait till I tell her its the same amount of recoil as a 1911 govt model (hehehe)

Now you can understand why I recommend the 1911 as the quintessential beginner's gun.
The "slow push" recoil is also a function of the slowmoving bullet, the mass of the moving slide, and the net mass of the entire, allsteel gun.

exactly  that is why i mentioned that the info was for some of the beginners new to guns

I think bullet momentum (vs energy) per gunounce would be the correct basis of comparison.

How do you get the figures? What is the CZ75SP01? vs. say the Ruger SR9 or the hipoint C9

Originally Posted by Scott9mm
I think bullet momentum (vs energy) per gunounce would be the correct basis of comparison.
Well, if you want to nitpick, the really correct measure would be movingbullet inertia versus gun inertia.
But my own experience makes me agree with the figures that hideit published in the first post of this thread.
You could compute the competing inertia figures from the given information, you know.

Originally Posted by BowerR64
How do you get the figures? What is the CZ75SP01? vs. say the Ruger SR9 or the hipoint C9
just find the ounces that the gun weighs empty and divide it by the muzzle energy of the bullet you want to think about using
CZ75SP01  8.3 using the 320 ftlbs ME cartridge
ruger sr9  12 "
forget the hi point

Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1
Well, if you want to nitpick, the really correct measure would be movingbullet inertia versus gun inertia.
But my own experience makes me agree with the figures that hideit published in the first post of this thread.
You could compute the competing inertia figures from the given information, you know.
some people have trouble with mathematics  hehe
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