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    Which is more satisfying?

    I am currently working with a Para-Ordnance frame and a GI replacement slide plus a Springfield frame and a Springfield slide that didnít come with it. Both pistols experienced reliability problems related to the slide stop and those have been dealt with. The Millet adjustable sight gave me a poor sight picture; Marianne Carniak opened the rear sight up so I can now see daylight around the front sight. Marianne also replaced the recoil springs on both pistols with 18.5 pound ones plus the firing pin springs; I tend to shoot heavier bullets and near max loads.

    Now I am left to deal with accuracy; both of these pistol currently shoot grapefruit sized groups at 10 yards from a modified Weaver stance. This is good enough for close range defensive purposes but not up to the standards set by my other 1911s. I will first try different loads in an attempt to find accurate loads for both pistols. If this doesnít work with the Springfield I will go with a match bushing. I intend to use the Springfield for car/carry purposes or home defense.

    The Para-Ordnance frame with a GI replacement slide I intend to use for a range gun/ home defense purposes. As such, it will be held to a higher standard; I want to see rounds touching each other at 15-25 yards. Like the Springer I will first try different loads in an attempt to find accurate loads but if I do not find a load that groups well I will either go the match bushing route or a fitted Bar-Sto barrel route. I also have thoughts of replacing the hammer, sear, and trigger plus having the front strap checkered (30lpi) and having the frame and slide hard chromed.

    Isnít this more fun and more interesting than buying a super accurate handgun and just being able to shoot it well right out of the box? Let me know your thoughts on my observations and intended improvements to these pistols.

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    It depends on the person. Me, I wanna buy one and have it work. I'm not real interested in trouble shooting a gun when things don't work right, and modifying/gunsmithing it.

    But, everyone has their interests....

    Nice guns by the way....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    1) The Millet adjustable sight gave me a poor sight picture; Marianne Carniak opened the rear sight up so I can now see daylight around the front sight.

    2) Now I am left to deal with accuracy; both of these pistol currently shoot grapefruit sized groups at 10 yards from a modified Weaver stance.

    3) Like the Springer I will first try different loads in an attempt to find accurate loads but if I do not find a load that groups well I will either go the match bushing route or a fitted Bar-Sto barrel route. I also have thoughts of replacing the hammer, sear, and trigger plus having the front strap checkered (30lpi) and having the frame and slide hard chromed.

    4) Isnít this more fun and more interesting than buying a super accurate handgun and just being able to shoot it well right out of the box?

    Richard

    1) It looks like you got the sights taken care of.

    2) What ammo/loads are you using?

    3) Are you loading your own or using factory ammo? Bar-Sto makes a good barrel, I have a Kart on my carry gun. Why do you want to do the trigger/hammer/sear?

    4) It is a lot more fun to do your own gunsmithing and you get exactly what you want that way. Those that donít are missing a lot.

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    I really want to build a custom 1911, and I currently have a Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac that I absolutely love.

    One thing that caught my eye, and please don't take this personally.

    Now I am left to deal with accuracy; both of these pistol currently shoot grapefruit sized groups at 10 yards from a modified Weaver stance.
    My question is this. Does the GUN shoot grapefruit sized groups at 10 yards, or do YOU shoot grapefruit sized groups at 10 yards?

    Again, nothing personal, but I don't think one can really judge the accuracy of a firearm unless you're firing it off of a fixed stand, there is just too much room for human error.

    Now if you were shooting off of a stand and getting grapefruit sized groups THAT is a serious problem.

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    Both pistols shoot smaller groups off the bench but again the groups are not as small as my other 1911s shoot. Before you ask, yes, I am a descent shot. I am better with handguns than most but not in a class with the best shooters. To get a hunting revolver to hit at 50 yards I have to sit on the ground and hold the weapon between my legs, better shooters can hit at this distance while standing. Regards, Richard

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    As long as you know your own abilities and limitations it's all good. I've just seen more than one person with a gun that "just didn't shoot worth a damn" get to eat a slice of humble pie when the gun was put in the hands of an experienced shooter, even if they'd never handled a gun of that particular type before.

    I know I'm not as good as I'd like to be. I'm fully convinced that all of my guns can shoot better than I can.

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    I never cared much for custom 1911s. Almost all of them have features that I don't care for. I've reached the point that when I buy a new 1911 I just get the plain jane base model and do the mods I like on it. That way I have exactly what I want.

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    Hmmmm, I'm not sure how to customize a Glock. Maybe I could carve my initials in the plastic?

    Oh, hey, I did put a Hogue Handall Jr. on my P3AT -- does that count?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham at Galco View Post
    Hmmmm, I'm not sure how to customize a Glock. Maybe I could carve my initials in the plastic?

    Oh, hey, I did put a Hogue Handall Jr. on my P3AT -- does that count?
    Well, som epeople striple the frame or reduce the grip - I've never cared for how this looks. Steel guiderod, trigger mods, comps, sights. That's about it.

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    Frist I would say I sure do like your pistols. I respect you for taking on the venture of building a 1911. I think it's great that you are building with a purpose for each. My sight and mechanical ability stops me cold. Keep going my good man you are doing a fine job. Keep us posted on your projects with pictures & reports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shipwreck View Post
    Well, som epeople striple the frame or reduce th grip - I've never cared for how this looks. Steel guiderod, trigger mods, comps, sights. That's about it.
    Yeah, I know. But after years of customizing 1911s in search of the perfect gun, I lost interest and gave up. There is no perfect gun. Now I just carry stock guns, spend the customizing money on ammo and training, and shoot better because of it.

    I'm more into the "software" end of it these days, versus the "hardware" end. My Glocks have night sights and Lasergrips. That's enough modification for me. Maybe too much!
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    I would like a gun that is accurate right out of the box but that never happens with me with auto's. Only after shooting around a couple hundred rounds then I get accurate. There are so many factors when it comes to accurate guns when shooting out of a vise. I take most of mine and reload until I find the right round. You said "I want to see rounds touching each other at 15-25 yards." If you can do that it's not the gun, it's your shooting ablility. And you right it's fun that's why I think we are all here.

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    both are equal, it is like asking which is better a blonde or redhead to each thier own.

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    "my gun dont work! Can you fix it?"

    tell you what I'll give you $100 bucks for it!

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