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    Quote Originally Posted by qwiksdraw View Post
    In Texas you can only open carry a long gun, you can NOT open carry a handgun.
    Your right...got the law backwards... glad I found that out now through I have never tried outside the home, but around here 80% of the stores do allow a concealed handgun as long as you have a permit and I still check on places like hotels

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwiksdraw View Post
    In Texas you can only open carry a long gun, you can NOT open carry a handgun.
    Your right...got the law backwards... glad I found that out now through I have never tried outside the home, but around here 80% of the stores do allow a concealed handgun as long as you have a permit and I still check on places like hotels

    Billy

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    Quote Originally Posted by denner View Post
    Steve, my sentiments exactly, especially with the Aurora, Co., incident so freshly ingrained in our minds. It's not the law abiding citizens who lawfully carry concealed who pose the risk, but the armed criminal. Statistics overwhelmingly speak for themselves and if that were the case no state would have CCW. It still puzzles me in a state that allows CCW, no one in that theatre returned fire, but of course, I was not there and it may not have been feasible. Generally, those nut cases are cowards and i truly believe he would have ran in confronted w/ appropriate force, but one can never tell.
    The reason there was no return fire is that the theater in question was a " GUN FREE ZONE " no guns allowed. The killer had 5 theaters closer to his residence playing the same movie ( including the largest one in Colorado ) but did not go into them. No one knows if he specifically passed those because there might be an armed citizen but I sure would not doubt it.

    The only legal choice the patrons had was to cover their loved ones and pray.

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    I agree with Steve, concealed means concealed.

    I also agree with BB in that, when someone threatens me with Shotgun, I am going to engage him as soon as I can and shoot him to the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-55A5 View Post
    Here in Texas we can conceal or open carry

    Most places have signs saying a concealed handgun is ok as long as you have a permit..not including government establishments....so it depends on the state

    I call in advance to see what the CCW rule is before I carry..ie:: hotels, department stores (even through Target does has a sign), etc

    Billy
    Calling ahead is never a good idea. The likelihood of getting a correct answer is small when you do this. Don't put the idea in their mind to post a sign if it is not already posted. You just don't know who you are going to get when you call and what their particular take of armed customers is going to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berettabone
    When someone sticks a shotgun in your face, I don't know what else you think is needed to protect yourself...wait until he shoots? Ridiculous.
    berettabone,
    Agreed!

    Every situation is or can be different and it's strictly left up to the individual to decide. Everyone has a different point of stress that will determine what action they will take to defend themselves. Good training can/will help with these decisions.

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    Wow,completely forgot this thread.Farfignugen (yeah,spelling) Nah

    Sorry,couldn't resist that.

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    That's odd...in your last post, you said it was law enforcements job to stop a robbery.......well, they weren't there, and you also said that you shouldn't shoot unless they fire....so, which is it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bowhunter57 View Post
    berettabone,
    Agreed!

    Every situation is or can be different and it's strictly left up to the individual to decide. Everyone has a different point of stress that will determine what action they will take to defend themselves. Good training can/will help with these decisions.

    Bowhunter57

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    Quote Originally Posted by berettabone
    That's odd...in your last post, you said it was law enforcements job to stop a robbery.......well, they weren't there, and you also said that you shouldn't shoot unless they fire....so, which is it?
    It is law enforcements job to stop a robbery, but if your life is being threatened that's when it's up to the individual to defend themself.

    The situation that I was given was being in a gas station and someone walks in and starts to rob the place. If I'm in the back of the store, I should call 911 and stay out of sight, until help arrives. However, that changes if you are spotted and become part of the robbery. This was the suggestion of my instructor.

    Staying out of sight and/or not getting involved, in reality, could be two entirely different things. Let's face it, a million scenerios could be played out, but what actually happens and how each person reacts to it makes for far too many possibilities.

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    Gun buster signs and personal property rights have been and are debated furiously.

    Generally the federal government leaves it up to the states to decide. Same thing with employers who do not allow their employees to carry firearms. Whether they post for liability reasons or personal choice it is still there property. Some states like Wisconsin address this issue in their statutes exempting the employer from liability if they choose to allow their employees to carry a firearm and any acts resulting from the employee. I do not know if this would/could be extended to customers entering with a firearm or acts caused by them I don't think I would want to be the test case though.

    Remember though by legal definition you are not a customer you are an "Invitee" when you enter and the status of invitee is only valid as long as you follow the business owners request. Businesses owned by an individual or corporate entity are private property and they have the right to say what comes onto that property as long as it does not violate the discrimination laws of the protected classes.

    If a business is posted and carries the weight of law and you decide to carry you simply face the consequences should you be discovered if they don't carry the weight of law do whatever you think is best. It all depends on how you view the business owners rights.

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