Wow. Have you ever heard of the term "Tongue in cheek". Maybe try not to take things quite so literally.
Wow. Have you ever heard of the term "Tongue in cheek". Maybe try not to take things quite so literally.
It's kinda hard to see that your tongue's in your cheek when you're typing words.
Maybe next time you could choose different words, or use a "smiley."
At ease soldier....
You can stop holding your breath. Your wait is over for the perfect ccw. I have owned and sold a Kahr CM9 and Beretta Nano and shot most of the major ccws on the market and without question my search is over for the ideal ccw and after 500 flawless rounds I am convinced my expectation (i.e. reliable, pocket concealment, accurate, full size shooting comfort in a sub compact 9mm caliber) have been exceeded.
Which ccw is in the most demand right now? Backordered everywhere and selling on Gunbroker for crazy sums of money.
One range trip helped me understand why people are willing to drop down $100 - $200 over suggested retail for this gem.
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I feel let down by the p238 I bought, heard nothing but good about Sig, previous owner had to send it back for failure to eject. After 50 rounds i was irate with 4 failures of the slide not locking back, no limp wrist. The front sight is far to low, I can adjust my aim, but at that point there's no use in tritium sights. Factory LASER, after adjusting the elevation, two shots later the windage was a foot off at 10 yards.
I'm no gun nut, but I know a lemon when I shoot one.
I got it based on size, because it's good to go in Massachusetts and because with a little tweaking I heard the trigger stops sucking. I think it'll go to warranty service and get sold or traded for something else.
I have the Model 85 single-stack and simply adore this gun,,,
But I purchased mine used for a very good price.
They traditionally run well over $650.00,,,
One other gun to consider is the Bersa Thunder 380,,,
Or the Bersa 380 CC version which is smoother in profile.
They are virtually the same size,,,
In fact holsters for one fit the other just fine.
My Bersa has proven itself to be as reliable as my Cheetah,,,
It has a decocker which the Cheetah does not,,,
Round capacity is the same for each,,,
But the Bersa is only $285.00.
I own and love both guns,,,
The Beretta is my briefcase gun,,,
The Bersa is the one I strap on for carry use.
I had the PPKS which I bought (in stainless steel) in about 1982. I had it for many years and it was reliable, had good sights, was accurate and concealed well on the belt. It was stamped "made in Germany" but was actually made in Portugal. German law allows "Made in Germany" imprint if the final assembly is done on German soil. The grip halves were screwed in on German soil, so it was "made in Germany".
The "made in Germany" label has some cache, but I am not convinced that the American made version is in any way inferior. Maybe if S & W shipped the guns to Germany and had the grip halves screwed together the quality was assume a higher status.
Some here have complained about the Walther trigger. But mine was excellent.
Have you personally shot a Shield?
I can speak from experience. I have shot a Kahr CM 9 Beretta Nano Kimber Solo Sig 238 (I know its a 380) Glock 26 Ruger LC9 and the Shield out performed every gun I mentioned.
I have no allegiance to any gun maker. I purchased the Kahr and Nano last year and dumped them both when they failed. I would have done the same if the Shield did not meet my expectations
Personally, I am not in the habit of having to "dump" firearms. Too costly. I do my homework before I purchase ANY firearm. I have been shooting handguns off and on for about 37 years, and have not yet found, seen, shot etc. the perfect firearm yet. It's why I own more than one. With the competition these days, for firearm sellers, anyone who would pay more than suggested retail for a firearm, is either rich, or foolish, or both. The OP is asking about .380.'s. I only carry a mouse gun at this time, because it's the only comfortable way for me right now. Otherwise, I would carry nothing but Beretta. I have owned over the years, semi's, and revolvers, and have NEVER had a misfeed, or a misfire. So, back to the original post, I have yet to see the perfect .380. I just sold my Beretta 84fs, because I am getting away from .380.......getting too expensive. Besides my carry firearm, I shoot nothing but .40 cal. I would rather carry a large frame handgun, but for right now, I like my Bodyguard.....it does what it's supposed to do, and what it's capable of. I never purchase a firearm, because of all the hoopla someone gives about one firearm or another...to me, the shield is just another small firearm. I am glad that you are happy with yours, that's the main thing.
Thanks for the reply.
I am not rich and I hope I am not foolish.
I was very fortunate when I purchased the Kahr CM9 last year after 3 trips back I convinced Kahr to refund my money. My second CCW purchase was the Beretta Nano. After 4 months of frustration with FTEs I convinced Cabelas to trade straight across for the S&W Shield and I pocket conceal 10 hours a day in Dockers and I honestly enjoy shooting my Shield more than my XD 45 and the grip is molded nicely for my medium size hand.
If you have an opportunity try it. The extended magazine which comes with the Shield is a delight for big hands.
I held an 84fs the other day and was surprised that it is smaller than I thought it would be.
however the reach to the trigger is longer than the 3at, the lcp, or the sig 238 so I like that feature as it is easier on the finger.
feels good in the hand and it fit fine in my 5.11 pants however I might get an inside the waist band holster for it
yea - I like the 84fs
I wanna get an 85 model one of these days
I picked up a Walther PPK this summer, and I like it a bit more than others in the thread. I use it as a backup pocket pistol in a jacket pocket, usually. Because I teach beginners I find it is a good gun to introduce shooters with small hands to something with a little more recoil than a .22. With a longer barrel it's easier to learn with than the true "pocket pistols."
I've found it to be accurate on drills, even with the single/double trigger. I posted a review online a while back Walther PPK Accuracy and Defensive Test | The Gun Tutor
I have four 380's currently a Colt Govt 380, Beretta 84, Bersa Thunder 380 Plus, and a Ruger LCP, and have previously owned the SIG P230, a Walther PK380, and a Taurus PT58HC. All were fine reliable weapons although built for different purposes. The ultimate for CC would be hands down the LCP although I believe your looking for something a bit larger. Next up in size is the Colt Government model 380, a great weapon but only available on the used market now as colt stopped making them some time ago, You may want to look at the SIG P238 or the new Colt Mustang (basicly the same pistol) though somewhat small in grip size. The Colts and P238 are single stacks and SA only, and must be carried cocked and locked just like a 1911. Next up in size are the SIG P230 and Walther PK380, both are single stacks but DA/SA, both are good reliable weapons, however if you have large hands the SIG P230 like the Walther PPK will give you a good case of slide or hammer bite as in both cases the slides rather close to the web of you hand and are not friendly to folks with large hands. I had no complaints with the Walther PK380 which I sold to make room in the safe for something else. Next up the size scale are the Beretta 84 and the Bersa Thunder Plus. Both are DA/SA firearms with double stack magazines, totally reliable although a bit heavy and some think a little thick in the grip, however this doesn't bother me because of the afore mentioned large hands and having 14 to 16 rounds on hand doesn't hurt matters either when dealing with goblins, here more is always better when were dealing with the 380.
The last up is the Taurus PT58HC which is a DA/SA with a 19 round mag, this pistol was 100% reliable, but was in the same size class as a full sized handgun kind of the same as a Beretta 92 compact except in 380 instead of 9mm so not very practicle. and was sold off again to make room.
I've had my LCP for a while now and just cant get comfortable with it. I'm a pretty good shot with all my other guns but my big hands just cant grip the LCP comfortably. I saw a thread with these grips on a guys LCP and decided to order them for my LCP to see if it helps me improve accuracy. I would never rely on my LCP as my main gun for CCW (SIG .40) but want an accurate back up gun.
I am probably going to sell my LCP and go with a SIG P238 if the new grips dont improve my accuracy with this tiny gun.
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Started out with a Ruger LCP, which had to much recoil and was just to plain small to handle. Traded it in for a Smith&Wesson Bodyguard, which had the longest trigger pull I have ever felt. Traded that in and I currently have a Bersa Thunder Duotone, which I haven't yet shot but am very much looking forward to it. My collection also includes a Taurus .357 Magnum, a Ruger SR 22, Beretta Px4 Storm Compact 9MM.
I have learned to adapt my conventional 'combat grip' so that I can use it without impeding the slide or shooting the end of my thumb off, and by bowing my trigger finger out to use only the pad on the first joint. It isn't comfortable, but I can usually shoot inside a 4" circle at about 10 yards.
If the OP is considering a ppk or ppk/s, consider handling both the current production from S&W, and used ones imported by Interarms. They are easily discernible by looking at the rear tang; S&W versions have an extended tang that eliminates the "Walther bite" common with the German and French versions. I have a S&W version, and agree that it had a few sharp edges. As mine is stainless, these were very easily remedied with a pin file.
Steve's comments on trigger types are something to think about. The DA trigger on mine is rather heavy, and very different from the much lighter SA pull.
I got the blued ppks, the serial indicates a late 80s model. we polished the feed ramp and it shot so nicely. I was just too sketchy on keeping my skin in tack and dont like having something that would bit. my sons as they are about 6 feet 4 & marines so my armory is always open to them. and it had an odd metally smell to it. i gave it away the same week i got it to my range friend, wendy.
i really wanted a smaller carry so i got the ruger sr22. im very happy with that little gun. havent rethought the .380
A little late to this discussion but would +1 the 84/85 Beretta Cheetah line, P232 and honorable mention to the LCP if you can shoot it comfortably. I would add that for me the Sig P232 alloy frame version is pocketable in dress pants, cargo shorts, etc. I know it doesn't seem like it would work but the weight, thickness and shape despite it's size works well. Pleated docker type pants or cargo type shorts it disappears and the weight is just light enough. The stainless version would be too heavy in my opinion for the pocket. As a pocket application gun I find the heel mag release location a positive in this instance and the weapon is large enough to be very shootable. YMMV