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    I keep forgetting - I'm left handed and the AMBI features make this even more appealing

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    Well, let us know what U decide

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    Quote Originally Posted by hideit View Post
    I wanted to say what is the best 380 out there but choose different words.
    The current issue of G&A magazine (pg 14) got me thinking about the very small sizes of the ruger LCP and the Sig P238.
    These are very small guns for pocket carry but don't fit a lot of hands.

    I passed up, in 1971, a Walther PPK in 380 and wish I could take that decision back. Back then they were great guns, a lot better than is what is made today. (so I've read)
    IF THIS IS WRONG - PLEASE RESPOND

    Then I started thinking about the Sig P232 in .380 and wondered if readers here think it is better than the presently make PPK. IS IT?

    I'm not real sure about a 1911 commander in .380 but I understand where he is coming from - i.e. a .380 that fits the hand better.
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    The Walther I have was made in Ulm, Germany back in the 1980's. It has always done good for me. I pocket carry most of the time now though. The Ruger LCP is my first choice. Second, I do carry a Kel Tec P3AT at times, and I also have a I.O. Hellcat. I recommend the Ruger of the three, then the Kel Tec, and lastly the Hellcat. The Hellcat has done OK for me, but I do experience the occasional FTF with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shipwreck View Post
    Yes, check out the 84 and 85 cheetah to see which you like best. They really are almost like mini 92's. They are really overbuilt 380s, and would probably be the least recoiling current production 380s.
    Shipwreck knows what he is talking about here, so listen up. I have one Model 84 and one Model 85. I don't carry them much, but man do they shoot!

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    Sig 232. If they made it in a 9mm Luger, it would put everyone else out of business.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Milhouse58421 View Post
    Sig 232. If they made it in a 9mm Luger, it would put everyone else out of business...
    Um, not everyone likes exactly the same things that you like.
    That's precisely why there are so many choices out there.

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    Wow. Have you ever heard of the term "Tongue in cheek". Maybe try not to take things quite so literally.

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    It's kinda hard to see that your tongue's in your cheek when you're typing words.
    Maybe next time you could choose different words, or use a "smiley."

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    At ease soldier....

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    You can stop holding your breath, Your wait is over for the perfect firearm....

    Quote Originally Posted by berettabone View Post
    "...Like everyone else, I am still waiting for the perfect firearm, but I won't hold my breath....that's why alot of people own more than one firearm, for more than one application.
    Berettabone:

    You can stop holding your breath. Your wait is over for the perfect ccw. I have owned and sold a Kahr CM9 and Beretta Nano and shot most of the major ccws on the market and without question my search is over for the ideal ccw and after 500 flawless rounds I am convinced my expectation (i.e. reliable, pocket concealment, accurate, full size shooting comfort in a sub compact 9mm caliber) have been exceeded.

    Which ccw is in the most demand right now? Backordered everywhere and selling on Gunbroker for crazy sums of money.

    One range trip helped me understand why people are willing to drop down $100 - $200 over suggested retail for this gem.

    Russ

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    Whcih 380 would you choose or have made?

    I feel let down by the p238 I bought, heard nothing but good about Sig, previous owner had to send it back for failure to eject. After 50 rounds i was irate with 4 failures of the slide not locking back, no limp wrist. The front sight is far to low, I can adjust my aim, but at that point there's no use in tritium sights. Factory LASER, after adjusting the elevation, two shots later the windage was a foot off at 10 yards.

    I'm no gun nut, but I know a lemon when I shoot one.

    I got it based on size, because it's good to go in Massachusetts and because with a little tweaking I heard the trigger stops sucking. I think it'll go to warranty service and get sold or traded for something else.

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    Gee, ok, I'll play............uhhhhhhhhhhh.....rhymes with field? Like I said, I'm still waiting........
    Quote Originally Posted by Russ View Post
    Berettabone:

    You can stop holding your breath. Your wait is over for the perfect ccw. I have owned and sold a Kahr CM9 and Beretta Nano and shot most of the major ccws on the market and without question my search is over for the ideal ccw and after 500 flawless rounds I am convinced my expectation (i.e. reliable, pocket concealment, accurate, full size shooting comfort in a sub compact 9mm caliber) have been exceeded.

    Which ccw is in the most demand right now? Backordered everywhere and selling on Gunbroker for crazy sums of money.

    One range trip helped me understand why people are willing to drop down $100 - $200 over suggested retail for this gem.

    Russ

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    Several people have mentioned the Beretta Cheetah series,,,

    I have the Model 85 single-stack and simply adore this gun,,,
    But I purchased mine used for a very good price.

    They traditionally run well over $650.00,,,
    One other gun to consider is the Bersa Thunder 380,,,
    Or the Bersa 380 CC version which is smoother in profile.



    They are virtually the same size,,,
    In fact holsters for one fit the other just fine.

    My Bersa has proven itself to be as reliable as my Cheetah,,,
    It has a decocker which the Cheetah does not,,,
    Round capacity is the same for each,,,
    But the Bersa is only $285.00.

    I own and love both guns,,,
    The Beretta is my briefcase gun,,,
    The Bersa is the one I strap on for carry use.

    Aarond

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shipwreck View Post
    A 380 that you won't be trying to conceal... Best 380 made IMHO - is the Beretta Cheetahs... I like the single stack version, because it just fits the hand so nicely. But, there is a 13 round doublestack one made too.

    If I was gonna CARRY a 380 as a mouse gun... For a pocket, I'd grab a Kahr P380.

    Carrying a single action in a pocket is not something I really want to do (the Sig 238). SO, I wouldn't buy that Sig...

    If I was going to carry a 380 in HOLSTER on my belt (either OWB or IWB)... I'd pick the Beretta or the Sig 232.
    The Beretta with a tip-up barrel was a great choice especially for people who had problems racking the slide. I think it is out of production.

    I had the PPKS which I bought (in stainless steel) in about 1982. I had it for many years and it was reliable, had good sights, was accurate and concealed well on the belt. It was stamped "made in Germany" but was actually made in Portugal. German law allows "Made in Germany" imprint if the final assembly is done on German soil. The grip halves were screwed in on German soil, so it was "made in Germany".

    The "made in Germany" label has some cache, but I am not convinced that the American made version is in any way inferior. Maybe if S & W shipped the guns to Germany and had the grip halves screwed together the quality was assume a higher status.

    Some here have complained about the Walther trigger. But mine was excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berettabone View Post
    Gee, ok, I'll play............uhhhhhhhhhhh.....rhymes with field? Like I said, I'm still waiting........
    berettabone

    Have you personally shot a Shield?

    I can speak from experience. I have shot a Kahr CM 9 Beretta Nano Kimber Solo Sig 238 (I know its a 380) Glock 26 Ruger LC9 and the Shield out performed every gun I mentioned.

    I have no allegiance to any gun maker. I purchased the Kahr and Nano last year and dumped them both when they failed. I would have done the same if the Shield did not meet my expectations

    Russ

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    Personally, I am not in the habit of having to "dump" firearms. Too costly. I do my homework before I purchase ANY firearm. I have been shooting handguns off and on for about 37 years, and have not yet found, seen, shot etc. the perfect firearm yet. It's why I own more than one. With the competition these days, for firearm sellers, anyone who would pay more than suggested retail for a firearm, is either rich, or foolish, or both. The OP is asking about .380.'s. I only carry a mouse gun at this time, because it's the only comfortable way for me right now. Otherwise, I would carry nothing but Beretta. I have owned over the years, semi's, and revolvers, and have NEVER had a misfeed, or a misfire. So, back to the original post, I have yet to see the perfect .380. I just sold my Beretta 84fs, because I am getting away from .380.......getting too expensive. Besides my carry firearm, I shoot nothing but .40 cal. I would rather carry a large frame handgun, but for right now, I like my Bodyguard.....it does what it's supposed to do, and what it's capable of. I never purchase a firearm, because of all the hoopla someone gives about one firearm or another...to me, the shield is just another small firearm. I am glad that you are happy with yours, that's the main thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Russ View Post
    berettabone

    Have you personally shot a Shield?

    I can speak from experience. I have shot a Kahr CM 9 Beretta Nano Kimber Solo Sig 238 (I know its a 380) Glock 26 Ruger LC9 and the Shield out performed every gun I mentioned.

    I have no allegiance to any gun maker. I purchased the Kahr and Nano last year and dumped them both when they failed. I would have done the same if the Shield did not meet my expectations

    Russ

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    Berettabone

    Thanks for the reply.

    I am not rich and I hope I am not foolish.

    I was very fortunate when I purchased the Kahr CM9 last year after 3 trips back I convinced Kahr to refund my money. My second CCW purchase was the Beretta Nano. After 4 months of frustration with FTEs I convinced Cabelas to trade straight across for the S&W Shield and I pocket conceal 10 hours a day in Dockers and I honestly enjoy shooting my Shield more than my XD 45 and the grip is molded nicely for my medium size hand.

    If you have an opportunity try it. The extended magazine which comes with the Shield is a delight for big hands.

    Russ

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    I held an 84fs the other day and was surprised that it is smaller than I thought it would be.
    however the reach to the trigger is longer than the 3at, the lcp, or the sig 238 so I like that feature as it is easier on the finger.
    feels good in the hand and it fit fine in my 5.11 pants however I might get an inside the waist band holster for it
    yea - I like the 84fs

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    I wanna get an 85 model one of these days

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