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    Quote Originally Posted by barstoolguru View Post
    if I want pretty I will go buy a painting of a sunset but if I want a gun that does the job I get a glock. the only time you see it is when it's time for business
    Quote Originally Posted by Holly View Post
    I don't understand at all when people say things like this. Do only the ugly guns work? I was under the impression that there were thousands of guns to choose from, half of which are not ugly. I would hope one of these options also "does the job", or gun manufacturers aren't doing their jobs properly.

    No reason a person cannot have pretty and reliable, if that is what they are looking for.
    The only problem with that (and I see it fairly regularly), is that folks like to keep their pretty guns "pretty." They won't take them out in poor/falling weather (because they might get dirty/dusty/grit-scratched), they won't draw them from a holster (because it might mar the finish), they won't pound 800-1000 rounds through them in a single weekend shooting class, and because of this, they never get really good with their "pretty" gun(s). I even have a old story to help illustrate the point; jump down to the second-to-the-last paragraph (below) if you want to skip story-time.

    Once upon a time, I was a firearms trainer in the USAF, and in the mid-80s, the FBI was going around to many local police departments and holding "Officer Survival" classes and range sessions. These focused on strategies, tactics, and on doing things that were useful in surviving armed encounters with criminals, but were prohibited in the officer's normal/formal firearm training sessions and qualifications. Examples might include shooting from various positions on the ground (like you'd been knocked down), and what to do if you unexpectedly found yourself in a criminal's gunsights and were forced to disarm (drop your gun).

    In the latter drill, you took your loaded revolver, and when told to do so, you gently tossed it on the ground (not TOO far away) so it landed with the muzzle facing away from you, with the right side of the gun "up". Then, with your hands held high in a surrender position, they would yell "GO!", and (don't try this at home, folks) you'd jump/lunge for your gun, pick it up, and quickly shoot all 6 shots into the target. It was a great drill, and a useful one based on the number of officers who had found themselves in similar situations but had no experience to fall back on, or confidence that they would do well if they needed to shoot their way out of a similar situation.

    Anyway, as the Emergency Services Team's assigned firearms instructor, I was invited to attend the range sessions and shoot with the group, even though I was not a sworn officer. However, because I was not a sworn officer, I could not attend the classroom sessions where they taught the tactics and reasoning behind the drills and described the drills in detail. I was told to show up at the range with a suitable weapon (I could not use my issue .38, as I was technically "off duty"), follow the instructions as given on the line, and that one of the FBI instructors would be posted nearby in case I had any questions.

    At that time, I only had one 4" duty-size revolver, so I grabbed my military web belt rig and transferred a slightly larger holster onto the belt for the range sessions. Then I packed up and went to the range. Upon arrival, I advanced to the firing line, uncased and holstered my revolver, then waited for the group to finish the class session. I talked with one of the agents a bit, and he expressed admiration for my weapon; I told him I was pretty happy with how it shot, and was just getting it broken-in as it was fairly new. He smiled a strange smile, and said something about how it would be a bit more broken-in by the end of the class, then wandered off to get something ready. I didn't even think about his comment until later.

    We went to the line, and shot several drills, reloading as soon as the gun was empty (this was a big change from the former method of "do everything on command"; the FBI found that when folks were trained like that, and then got into a gunfight, they sometimes didn't reload their gun once it was emptied -- because no one told them to reload after the first burst of gunfire). The next drill was announced, and I could hear a few of the cops I knew start to chuckle, but I didn't know what was going on quite yet.

    We advanced to the line, were reminded that this was a dangerous drill, and to be as safe as possible. We were then told to draw our weapon, reminded to try to get it to land with the right side facing up and the barrel pointing at the target, then told to toss our guns out into the gravel at least 6-8 feet in front of the line. I looked to my right, and then my left, and EVERY OTHER PERSON ON THE LINE WAS WATCHING AND WAITING FOR ME TO THROW MY GUN OUT INTO THE GRAVEL FIRST. I'd been set-up! I knew I had to do it, or the cops I worked with every day would never let me forget it. I sighed, swallowed hard, picked a spot out in front of me that looked softer than the surrounding area, and gently threw my month-old, high-polish royal-blue-finish, 4" Colt Python out into the dust/rocks/cracked gravel of the outdoor range.

    Then, one after one, the cops all threw their well-worn military-issue S&W model 15 .38 specials out into the gravel, we all assumed the hands-up position, and waited for the "GO!" command. We pounced on our guns, shook them once to get any gravel out of the barrel/chambers, and fired 6 rounds into the target as quickly as possible. Then we stood up, reloaded, re-holstered, and went back to the line to do it again. I got a nice round of polite applause for being dedicated enough to the course to sacrifice the finish on my gun for the learning experience, and was later told by one of the instructors that some cops in other classes had absolutely refused to do it with their personally-owned weapons. Some even objected to doing it with issued-by-their-department guns!

    Pretty much from that point on, I have always treated guns as tools, and like most tools, if you want to get enough experience to get GOOD with your favorite tool, it needs to get hot, dirty, holster-worn, and used hard under field/real-world conditions (or as close as we can safely get to it). Most folks who own one or two "pretty" guns just won't do that to their favorite blaster; heck, some of them will freak-out over a single tiny scratch!

    As some shooters begin to accumulate more handguns, it's not unusual for them to pick up a "nice" newer version of their favorite gun/brand, and keep another well-used one for regular shooting like classes, competitions, and such. These folks know the importance of regular practice, but also want at least one nice-looking gun and are willing to pay the price to keep two on-hand, one to fill each role. I even have a few Glocks that are basically stock, but have been dressed-up with a new silver-look finish on the slide/barrel for a bit of "bling"; some folks call guns like these their "BBQ" or "Sunday" or "formal" guns. Although these are a bit more fancy than my normal Glocks, they get shot regularly, too (usually on the indoor range).

    "Placement is power" -- seen in an article by Stephen A. Camp
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    It hurts to read that. I'd love to get my hands on a Royal Blued Python in 4".

    I agree with the point though. Some guns I have just because I like them (like the nicely blued S&W M27). I don't carry that cannon, and certainly am not as proficient with it as my ppk/s. The little stainless gun gets scratched up now and then, and the revolver is almost like new.

    That's not to say that it wouldn't do the job though. The gun can be good looking and effective, the problem (as DJ noted) is usually with the operator.

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    I don't own a Glock, I would buy one if the right deal came along. It would be a great IDPA gun, probably the fastest. The trigger hurts my finger but there is probably a fix for it. It will never be something to look at, pure utility.

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    My son in law has one. Shoots great. My preference is to buy guns made in the USA. Yogo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holly View Post
    I do not. Aesthetics are far too vital for me, when it comes to my guns.
    Same here. I find them to be "butt ugly". Although, they are a fine gun, but aesthetics are vital for me also.

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    Was handed down a first generation Glock 21. I do not carry it but it is fun at the range!

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    I just sold one to pick me up a revolver. No matter what happens I can't keep away from them. I do still have my M&P .40c which will hopefully never have to leave.

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    They are not the prettiest pistols but I like them. I have a G-17 for targeting and I carry a G-36 for cc.Every time I pull the
    trigger , it goes bang and that's good enough for me.

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    Don't own a Glock and don't miss it. I buy American.

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    I owned one for a couple years.Glock 17.I didn't care for the way it felt or handled.I figured it was a Glock and I would grow to like it.Didn't happen.I have a EAA witness in a poly and love it.

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    I've only shot my dads glock 19 I had great groupings and they have few moving parts, but like holly my weapons have to be sexy. Thus my desert eagle 9mm, similar too the cz_75

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    Quote Originally Posted by BabyEagle9mm View Post
    ...[B]ut like holly my weapons have to be sexy...
    Do you know for a fact that Holly is sexy?
    Does her husband know that you know?

    I prefer that my guns be accurate and effective, and my woman sexy. (Note the singular.)
    I learned that from a British spy I once met. I think his name was Bond. James Bond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Do you know for a fact that Holly is sexy?
    Does her husband know that you know?
    I know now that he knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Do you know for a fact that Holly is sexy?
    Does her husband know that you know?
    Quote Originally Posted by ponzer04 View Post
    I know now that he knows.
    What the hell is wrong with you people?!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Holly View Post
    What the hell is wrong with you people?!

    See posts #86 and 87...

    If my attempt at grammatical humor makes you feel offended, I apologize.

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    Not offended, Steve. Promise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenW. View Post
    I was a 1911 guy for years; then I met my first XD. Completely void of Glocks.
    I'm with you! Glock is a reliable gun but it is ugly, feels like a two-by-four in my hand and is devoid of some nice features. Look at the Springfield XD. If it was here before Glock, I don't think there would be a Glock today. It's better looking (minor point,) better trigger, much better feel and all kinds of nice touches like the cocked and loaded chamber indicators, and it's cheaper.

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    I've never owned one before. After handling many different polymer double action handguns I fell in love with the XD lineup. I'm fully aware that a Glock is an extremely reliable and well built firearm. It just never felt natural in my hand. I prefer to carry my Springfield 1911 micro compact operator. I keep the XDM .45 as a nightstand decoration. The Desert Eagle .44 is in my arsenal for a few reasons as well. It shoots quite accurately, is very pretty to me, and will actually get practical use as a good deer gun here in Indiana.

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    I don't like DAO pistols,,, so no Glocks for me,,,,,

    I much prefer a DA/SA action,,,
    I like my exposed hammer.

    Now someone is going to chime in and say:

    A Glock isn't DAO,,,
    It's a striker fired pistol.

    To them I reply:

    No external hammer,,,
    The trigger cocks and fires in one pull.

    That's DAO in my opinion.

    Glocks are fine pistols,,,
    They simply don't make what I want.

    Aarond

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    In my judgement they are ugly, uncomfortable guns. Guess they are dependable but if they don't feel good to shoot, why would I own one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtguns View Post
    I don't, and won't own one. have shot several but they just are not comfortable to shoot. but thats me.
    Same here I've shot them and didn't care for them, & I do not and will not own one. besides they're fugley! Ok glock-o-files send hate mail now...... My preference in striker fired pistols is the Ruger SR series, great guns, reliable, and most importantly they're not fugley

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    Yep, I agree with the above and also, they are appliances for someone who needs a gun but isn't really into firearms. They simply have no character.

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    Never had one and probably never will. Besides being ugly they are striker fired and I don't like striker fired pistols.

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    1st generation G-20. 15 rounds of 10mm. ooh rah

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    I own nine centerfire revolvers (all S&W) and one centerfire semi-auto. The semi-auto is a Glock 23. I don't buy guns because they are pretty nor do I have my male member and my handgun confused! When I decided to add a semi-auto to the collection I wanted one with the same reliability and firing drilll as my DA revolvers, hence G23. I also do not own a single gun because it looks pretty (Safe Queens, BBQ guns, etc.) I fire every one of them and accept them for what they are: tools) A gold plated, engraved hammer is going to get messed up when you start building a barn with it. A plain, ugly one will get the job done without any anquish.

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