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    9mm Mouse Guns are Best for Everyday Carry

    I've been actively shooting for about a year, got my CCP, and have a acquired a few handguns -- Glock 19 being the smallest. The full size guns are great for range practice and recreational / target shooting. For carry, the Glock 19 is good in many situations, but it's not always ideal.

    I had a conversation with a friend who made a good point... He was encouraging me to get a Ruger LCP, Kel Tec, or other similar sized 9mm -- which is what he and his wife carry. His points were as follows; 1) if a situation arises where you need the gun, it will be a close range and a very fast encounter, and 2) if the gun is not small and light then you won't have it with you in all situations. It seems like a very common sense approach that lends itself best to one of these guns. By the way, this guy really knows his weapons and has a military resume including being a green beret -- so I put a lot of stock in his opinion. He could carry anything he wants and he carrys an LCP.

    What say you? And, if you're in this camp... what gun would you recommend?

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    Personal preference. I carry a full sized gun with no problem. I'm 5'8" and can conceal a 1911 or a HKUSP or a Glock 32 or a (insert almost any large framed pistol). It's all about having the right equipment.

    -Inside the Waist band holsters can hide a whole lot of gun.
    -Larger guns are easier to shoot for the vast majority of folks.
    -They have a much larger capacity than mouse guns. (ever watch someone do a mag change under duress that hasn't practiced it before?)
    -Shorter, smaller guns require more attention to detail due to the shorter throw of the slide. (shooting at the range will not be the same as in a self defense situation)
    -Relying on the encounter to be close to you is a baaaaaad idea. (trust me, first hand experience)
    -Pocket carry (assuming here that is what you are doing) is not very efficient unless you keep your hand in your pocket and on the gun.

    These are just a few things I've noticed over the past 16 years of carrying a gun on a daily basis. Mileage may vary for some folks, but pigeon holing someone to one firearm because that's what they use is not really the best idea. Guns are a very personal item. There are brands that are better than others, but which model of those brands someone carries greatly depends on its intended use, fit, feel, function and lots and lots of practice.

    Your friend may be very well versed and trust worthy, but I'll bet that his opinions are based on his preferences. Unless you are similar in background, height, weight, dress, job, location, vehicle, fitness....well, then it may not be the best preferences for you.

    Keep an open mind, and stay safe.

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    zhurdan -- great points!! I definitely prefer shooting and feel more comfortable with a full size pistol. But, I don't carry very often because they're too big, in the way, too heavy, etc... Because of these factors, I only carry when I feel like I'll be going someplace where the odds of harm are higher. I'd like to carry more often than that.

    Like a lot of this stuff, there's no absolutes -- I guess it's about finding the right level of comfort, preference, and holstering that works for the individual. Thanks!

    I'm interested in more opinions...hope to get more posts!

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    Its all opinion

    However I disagree with the common "All self defense happens at close proximity and very fast" Now take into mind that RARELY EVER does one really need to use their CCW carry gun.

    Theres no way of knowing for sure the average distance of encounters with people who intend to harm you. It is very likely you may have to shoot someone from 30 yards say if you are on the run, maybe you missed shots when you were up close, or maybe you didn't get any shots off initially to begin with. If someone is intending to harm me, Im only going to close in on him/ her if I know they are not armed as well as I am and even then, I would rather keep my distance. It's safer to sniping them with my HK USP-C 9...

    That said, I think the last option for CCW should be these "dinky" pistols, I have heard good things about the Ruger LCP9 so that would be a good one to go with, but all these .380s and other crappy small form 9s and 45s I would never waste my money.

    I would much rather choose at glock 26 or an M&P-c if I needed something small then these other small form pistols out there because these are brands that I know are accurate and reliable 100% of the time

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    I carry a medium size Sig Sauer P228 or P239 in 9mm on my hip.

    But for a pocket carry I used to carry a Ruger LCP in .380



    I now carry my S&W Shield for pocket carry.



    Both are extremely dependable - the Shield is a joy to shoot - the LCP not so much.


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    My G*27 Is the one I carry on me 9+1 40cal.Evil is going down.

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    They seem like they would be a joy to carry. It's better to have one and not need it, than to need one and not have it. I like the larger subcompacts personally.

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    On another forum I frequent someone had to put a pit bull down that attacked his dog. I won't say what forum or any other info but a single shot from a .380 ended the situation. I also carry a .380 as a pocket gun since I live in the desert and it's hard to conceal with almost no clothes on. Just to inform folks here a 9mm is a 9X19...a .380 is 9X17. Not much difference for a pocket gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzy View Post
    Just to inform folks here a 9mm is a 9X19...a .380 is 9X17. Not much difference for a pocket gun.
    I am aware of this

    But food for thought
    Price of bullets for: 9mm < .380

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzy View Post
    Just to inform folks here a 9mm is a 9X19...a .380 is 9X17. Not much difference for a pocket gun.
    I'm not sure what you mean by that. I carry a pocket .380, and a pocket 9mm. Talking about loads the pistols are rated for, the pocket .380 will put out a 95 grain JHP at 877 fps for 163 ft/lbs of ME. The pocket 9mm will put out a 127 grain JHP at 1185 fps for 398 ft/lbs of ME. These are chronographed by me. A hell of a lot of difference.

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    The content of this thread, plus other stuff I've read on line, plus personal perference is making me think that I should consider a Glock 26 -- if I want to go small (nothing smaller). It seems like the best choice for me right now.

    Of course I'd have to compare it side by side against a 19 to see if it's really small enough to make a difference, and shoot one again to see how it feels.

    This dialogue has been very useful -- thanks!

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    The 26 is a good gun.

    Stay safe and as mentioned keep an open mind

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    No one's ever wished for a smaller gun after a gun fight is over... The opposite is however true. Make mine a full size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VAMarine View Post
    No one's ever wished for a smaller gun after a gun fight is over... The opposite is however true. Make mine a full size.
    Reminds me of something a smart fella told me once. "More gun is more better!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by HadEmAll View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean by that. I carry a pocket .380, and a pocket 9mm. Talking about loads the pistols are rated for, the pocket .380 will put out a 95 grain JHP at 877 fps for 163 ft/lbs of ME. The pocket 9mm will put out a 127 grain JHP at 1185 fps for 398 ft/lbs of ME. These are chronographed by me. A hell of a lot of difference.
    Well the 9mm does put out more but the numbers are a little closer than you say for the ammo I use for CCW. .380 90 gr @ 1000 = 200 fpe. The 9mm 115gr @ 1140 = 332 fpe. But like I say this is a pocket gun. During the winter I carry a .40 with over 500 fpe which is in the hydrostatic shock range. So I think 132 fpe difference is closer than 235 pfe you state. Hornady Manufacturing Company :: Ammunition :: Handgun :: Choose by Product Line :: Critical DefenseŽ

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    Quote Originally Posted by VAMarine View Post
    No one's ever wished for a smaller gun after a gun fight is over... The opposite is however true. Make mine a full size.
    True but I'd give it away. "Hey why is that guy wearing a coat in 110 degree weather". I have the full size for winter.

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    The SIG P239 is the smallest pistol I've ever carried concealed. It is accurate out to 50 yards but i never shot it further and mag changes go fairly well for a small pistol. It has really nice sights too (most pocket pistols have terrible sights). By the time I got good with it, it rattled when you shook it with no mag in it of course. I would imagine that by the time you were good enough to be proficient with a pocket pistol it would ned to be replaced for sure. I carry a full size pistol now and shoot it at some very long ranges for a pistol. With that said a pistol is something you fight your way to a rifle with. Just get a full size pistol and learn to conceal it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzy View Post
    True but I'd give it away. "Hey why is that guy wearing a coat in 110 degree weather". I have the full size for winter.
    It's been well over a 100 here with the heat index a couple of times this summer, I manage to pull it off with a camp shirt. If you're willing to wear an over shirt it's totally possible to conceal a full size gun. I'm particularly fond of some of Columbia's shirts that have better venting properties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VAMarine View Post
    It's been well over a 100 here with the heat index a couple of times this summer, I manage to pull it off with a camp shirt. If you're willing to wear an over shirt it's totally possible to conceal a full size gun. I'm particularly fond of some of Columbia's shirts that have better venting properties.
    I would but I sweat in 50 degree weather and less clothes is better,I'm not fat just hot blooded and I can hardly stand a tshirt even in winter. I forgot to say that I'm usually close to my vehicle in which the .40 resides along with carrying my pocket rat. I have considered a second pocket rat like a derringer with a slug.

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