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  • Best 380 Pocket Gun: Smith and Wesson Bodyguard 380

    9 12.33%
  • Best 380 CC Gun: Walther PPK 380 Stainless Steel

    3 4.11%
  • Best 9mm Pocket Gun: Kahr PM9/CM9

    11 15.07%
  • Best 9mm CC Gun: Cz 2075 RAMI P

    4 5.48%
  • Best 9mm Range/House Gun: FNX-9

    3 4.11%
  • None of the Above

    49 67.12%
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    My Top 6 Lists by AUTO Handgun category for 380Auto and 9mm handguns

    I have been considering the purchase of more handguns and decided to put them in a spreadsheet so I could rank them. This is the result of my research. Revolvers don't interest me so I don't research them.

    This is a personal opinion and based on my preferences for DA/SA and DA Only, although Strikers are included. I admit to a prejudice against SAO auto firearms, and although I considered and ranked some of them, none made it into the top six lists. I have not shot all these guns, but have picked them up at the gun shows and inspected them and read a lot of comments on forums and talked to people at the ranges.

    The primary selection criteria were gun weight and length, but other criteria were included based on my own experience and reports from those who have shot these firearms and research I have done. For instance, sometimes accuracy and handling would overrule the weight and size, when the margins are close. Those with *asterisks* are guns I own. Cost was considered, but not a primary factor. Those with #Poundsigns# are ones I have shot by rental or friends letting me try them.

    I don't want to upset any manufacturer reps, so take this as just my own personal assessment and not very scientific, and somewhat biased.

    380 Pocket Pistols
    S&W Bodyguard 380*
    Ruger LCP (380)#
    Kel-Tec P3-AT
    Kahr P380
    Seecamp LWS 380
    Micro Desert Eagle#

    380 Concealed Carry Pistols
    Walther PPK 380#
    Bersa Thunder380CC*
    Taurus Millenium Pro
    Walther PK380
    Glock 28 (380)#
    SigSauer P232

    9mm Pocket Carry
    Kahr PM9*/CM9
    SigSauer P290
    Kel-Tec PF-11#
    SCCY Gen-2 9mm
    Kimber Solo
    (No sixth place)

    9mm Concealed Carry
    Cz 2075 RAMI P 9mm#
    Ruger LC9
    Walther PPS#
    Kel-Tec PF-9
    SigSauer P250 SubCompact#
    Beretta PX4 Subcompact

    9mm Range and Home Pistol
    FN Hernstal FNX-9*
    Walther P99Full
    Beretta PX4 Compact#
    Cz SP01 Phantom
    Cz P07 9mm#
    SigSauer P20229

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    Pocket carry: S & W 340PD, .357 magnum, @ 11.4 ounces.

    Its lighter and more powerful than any of the 9mm suggestions--almost as light as the .380s

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    Interesting.........weight and length are some of my normal criteria but not the main criteria for me so i can't relate.

    handguns are such personal things your lists of 6 contain maybe 2 on each I would put on mine. They all contain 2 or 3 I would not even consider too.

    Good luck if you do decide to get a new gun.

    RCG

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    weight and length are not an issue for me as well.... i am a big guy and i usually carry my p6 open or concealed, but i have no problem carrying my pt92 or pt100 concealed either....

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    Hard to say, I'm a Beretta fan, so I only own Beretta's. I have PX4 Compact 15+1, and PX4 Subcompact 13+1 flush mags, both 9mm. Both excellent carry firearms with more than ample fire power with one flush mag. I haven't shot or carried the other pistols on your list so I have nothing to compare them with. However, I'd like to give them a try.

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    Yep-Denner the BG380 is the very best one. Funny I just showing my bg off to my neighbors to day. Put it in your pock it. And a small pock it to. And you can not tell their is a pistol there.

    For a small pistol, And the way it is set up. Very nice pistol.

    And for 9mm, Go to .40 cal and drop the 9mm. Same size pistol,And more kick with a .40cal. I love my size of my g27 holds 8+1. This is my Concealed pistol, Using Hornady Critical Defense ammunition is the pinnacle in self defense ammunition.
    And won all the nra testing.FTX are bad boys. And I did my own testing at my gun club. So at gateway pistol and rifle club here in Jacksonville Fla. Me and the rangers did a lot of testing with the FTX.

    They do what they say they do,And more.Just like go in heavy clothing, And not turning in to a FMJ. Like most do with heavy clothing on. For me,I love The FTX'S

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    Quote Originally Posted by denner View Post
    Hard to say, I'm a Beretta fan, so I only own Beretta's. I have PX4 Compact 15+1, and PX4 Subcompact 13+1 flush mags, both 9mm. Both excellent carry firearms with more than ample fire power with one flush mag. I haven't shot or carried the other pistols on your list so I have nothing to compare them with. However, I'd like to give them a try.
    U da man!

    I have 9 Berettas... eight 92 variants and one PX4 fullsize. 3/4 of my handgun collection are Berettas.

    For pocket carry 9mm, however - the Kahr PM9 is probably the best.

    But, I rarely use mine. I carry a Beretta 92 or 92 compact everyday for my concealed carry.

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    why the S&W bodyguard 380 - just don't understand that one
    why the PPK - i thought the trigger pull was too hard compared to others and bigger

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    Quote Originally Posted by hideit View Post
    why the S&W bodyguard 380 - just don't understand that one
    why the PPK - i thought the trigger pull was too hard compared to others and bigger
    on the 380BG: The integrated laser, very accurate, can handle almost any ammo, is small and easily concealable.
    My nephew says he thinks the LCP with Crimson Laser is the best because the laser comes on automatically. And he might be right. I have listed the analysis I did recently for my favorite lists:

    Here is my complete list ranked in priority:
    380 Pocket Pistols
    S&W Bodyguard 380
    Ruger LCP (380)
    Kel-Tec P3-AT
    Kahr P380
    Seecamp LWS 380
    Micro Desert Eagle
    SigSauer P238
    Taurus TCP 380
    NAA Guardian
    Diamondback DB380

    The PPK just has the best finish and feel and is an elegant weapon. It is accurate, low recoil, DA/SA, and good SA trigger
    Here is the list of runners-up. I own a Bersa 380CC, which has a better trigger, but not as nice a finish..nickle coated. I almost rated it the top.

    380 Concealed Carry Pistols
    Walther PPK 380
    Bersa Thunder380CC
    Taurus Millenium Pro
    Walther PK380
    Glock 28 (380)
    SigSauer P232
    Bersa Thunder 380 or Plus
    Browning BDA
    Llama Micromax
    Beretta 85F
    HK Compact
    Cz 82/83

    Your thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cclaxton View Post
    ...The PPK just has the best finish and feel and is an elegant weapon. It is accurate, low recoil, DA/SA, and good SA trigger...
    Better than average sights and a longish sight radius. Good ergonomics and an 80 year history of reliability and durability.

    It is my first choice for someone with recoil aversion. Compact and flat enough to conceal on the belt or in a purse.

    Mine was stainless steel and it is my recommendation that any buyer choose stainless steel too.

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    What's wrong with the Walther PP, PPK, and PPKS:
    • The DA trigger action is absolutely horrible: long, hard; indistinct break.
    • The SA trigger action is pretty bad as well: hard; mushy.
    • The safety is in the wrong place, and it drops the pistol's hammer, which always puts you back in DA mode.
    • The magazine release button is in the wrong place, which decreases your leverage on it.
    • Straight-blowback pistols need strong recoil springs, making it difficult for some people (particularly women) to rack the slide.
    But they are beautifully made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    What's wrong with the Walther PP, PPK, and PPKS:
    • The DA trigger action is absolutely horrible: long, hard; indistinct break.
    • The SA trigger action is pretty bad as well: hard; mushy.
    • The safety is in the wrong place, and it drops the pistol's hammer, which always puts you back in DA mode.
    • The magazine release button is in the wrong place, which decreases your leverage on it.
    • Straight-blowback pistols need strong recoil springs, making it difficult for some people (particularly women) to rack the slide.
    But they are beautifully made.
    Thats why I have one of these. Astra A-60/380
    • Looks like a PPK clone
    • Double stack
    • Ambi controls
    • Nicer trigger
    • Magazine release button in right place and can be put in lefty.
    • Costs less
    Bad:
    • Not made anymore
    • Parts and mags hard to find


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    I use a Ruger LC9 for pocket carry.



    But usually carry on my hip.

    Usually a Sig P239 in 9mm



    I sometimes carry on my hip a Kimber .45 or other larger guns.


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    i had a bodyguard 380 and sold it the day after i shot it, worse trigger i have ever seen. also had lcp, tough trigger but do-able, now have a sig p238 which is absolutely great. imo the best mouse gun!

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    Yeah but it doesn't get much magazine or internet play so it is hard for it to make most guys list.
    Lists like these tend show the ability of someone to make a list.
    Everyone has opinions and it is kind of interesting to see what others think of certian things. Not many folks consider so many categories of weapons simutanously. Normally I consider what I am in the market for and consider the rest too much info. Thats just me, some folks like to see if what they have read is what others actually think before they decide. I liked the P238 the one time I shot it. I could hit the target pretty consitantly with it.

    RCG

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    I like everything about the Sig238 except two things:
    SA Only;
    Expensive.

    I would probably own one if I didn't have to pay at least $500 new and at least $400 used...if you are lucky.

    I agree with you on the S&W Bodyguard trigger, but I got used to it....and it is double-strike capable....and it is great for dry fire exercise.

    I did have a problem with laser, but S&W replaced it.

    I may get a Sig238 when I find a used one at the right price.

    Good 380 Hollow points are adequate IMHO.

    Thanks,

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    A couple of you guys seem to be missing the point of the "Double-Action Only" semi-auto trigger.
    (I have not found them to be particularly bad, compared to, say, a DA revolver's.)

    The reason for that long, relatively heavy pull is to make the gun safer to carry in a pocket (in a holster, of course) and simpler to get into action.
    It is not unknown for a SA semi-auto's safety lever to be wiped into "off," without the carrier knowing it. But the long DA-style pull requires no separate safety—other than the one between your ears, of course.
    It's quicker and less complicated to get a DA-style, safety-less semi-auto into action when it's necessary. It gives the user one less thing to think about and control.

    At save-your-life distances, the long DA-style trigger is no impediment to good, effective shooting.
    And you probably shouldn't be trying long-range shots with a pocket-size pistol anyway.

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    Steve,
    Do you know of any small, lightweight triggered DAO guns?
    I like the Kahr PM9 trigger...long but relatively light.
    Any DAO that get down below 5 pounds?

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    You're gonna laugh...
    The best DAO trigger I've recently found is on our Kel-Tec P3AT!
    I think it's at about eight pounds.

    For anything lighter, maybe look at Glocks, and the other pistols with Glock-like triggers.
    Their triggers aren't true DA-style, really, but the function is the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    ...The reason for that long, relatively heavy pull is to make the gun safer to carry in a pocket (in a holster, of course) and simpler to get into action.
    It is not unknown for a SA semi-auto's safety lever to be wiped into "off," without the carrier knowing it...
    I agree. And I will illustrate it with a personal experience.

    I had just gotten my new Colt Gold Cup in stainless steel and I wanted to try a shoulder holster. This was back in the late 1970s, and although DeSantis was not distributed nation-wide at that time it was a big name on Long Island because it was produced there. I got a right hand shoulder rig with a carrier under my right side that held two spare magazines. It was nicely constructed.

    I've always carried my .45s the way they were designed to be carried: Cocked and Locked. As an added safety the holster allowed the snap to be closed between the hammer and the slide. But when I removed the gun I discovered that the safety was "off". I could not understand that at all as I was always very careful about applying the safety. But it happened again the next day and I discovered that pressing the snap closed automatically disengaged the safety each time.

    I drove over to the DeSantis shop in Williston Park (second floor over a deli or something like that) and showed him the holster and the problem I was having with it.

    The conversation went like this:

    Packard: Each time I snap the retention strap it disengages the safety.

    Gene D.: Don't carry it cocked and locked. I don't make holsters for cocked and locked.

    Packard: If it is not for cocked and locked, then the package should say "for hammer down carry only".

    Gene D.: Cocked and locked is irresponsible; I won't make holsters for cocked and locked carry.

    After that statement he walked away and left me standing with an unusable holster that was apparently my problem.

    In any event it is very easy to end up with a disengaged safety even if you take care to engage it properly and it is functioning properly.

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