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  • Best 380 Pocket Gun: Smith and Wesson Bodyguard 380

    9 12.33%
  • Best 380 CC Gun: Walther PPK 380 Stainless Steel

    3 4.11%
  • Best 9mm Pocket Gun: Kahr PM9/CM9

    11 15.07%
  • Best 9mm CC Gun: Cz 2075 RAMI P

    4 5.48%
  • Best 9mm Range/House Gun: FNX-9

    3 4.11%
  • None of the Above

    49 67.12%
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    ...Well, now I have yet another reason to dislike DeSantis holsters. They're second-rate in quality, too.

    Thanks, Packard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    ...Well, now I have yet another reason to dislike DeSantis holsters. They're second-rate in quality, too.

    Thanks, Packard!
    I had earlier bought a "shoot through" wallet holster from him and the design caused the magazine to pop loose from the gun. So I was left with a single shot from a .25 caliber Beretta. Not too good.

    I went back to him and he added a relief for the magazine release and that solved the problem for me, but he continued to sell the wallet as it had been when I bought it.

    He fails to test his designs. He designs it, and looks it over and decides it is good. Wearing and testing are very important for holster designers.

    I won't buy and DeSantis holsters.

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    That's not a very good story for DeSantis Holsters.

    But I own 3 of them and mine have all been perfect.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dondavis3 View Post
    That's not a very good story for DeSantis Holsters.

    But I own 3 of them and mine have all been perfect.

    My experience with DeSantis is over 30 years ago. He might have learned a few lessons over the years. His workmanship has always been first rate. It was the rest of the process that was not.

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    A semi auto 9mm single stack is going to be thinner and can be less expensive than the 357 S & W 340PD and hold 7 rounds instead of 5. Yes, the 357 has a bigger punch over the 9mm but I would rather have 2 more rounds of 9mm with plenty of knock down power and the ability to reload much faster if necessary. The weight is only one factor. If you pocket carry a revolver it will be more noticeable over a single stack semi auto. Russ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ View Post
    A semi auto 9mm single stack is going to be thinner and can be less expensive than the 357 S & W 340PD and hold 7 rounds instead of 5. Yes, the 357 has a bigger punch over the 9mm but I would rather have 2 more rounds of 9mm with plenty of knock down power and the ability to reload much faster if necessary. The weight is only one factor. If you pocket carry a revolver it will be more noticeable over a single stack semi auto. Russ
    Faith (non-religious faith) comes into play here too. I have never had a revolver fail to fire. Ever.

    I cannot say the same about my semi-autos--some of which have been very reliable. But the smaller the pistol the harder it is to make it reliable. So the very smallest of the pistols will be among the least reliable (for the same quality of manufacture). I think you will find that the full size all steel Kimbers are more reliable than the subcompact alloy versions of the same weapon.

    So I have greater faith in a 340 PD (a revolver) than I would in a small semi-auto. Also you can shoot through a coat pocket with the revolver and you can shoot with the barrel pressed hard against the assailant. Two things you cannot say for sure about a semi-auto.

    Also the 340 is more versatile. You can load it with hot .357s or light shooting .38 wadcutters (target ammo) or anything in between. Semi-autos work well within a much smaller range of output.

    I think there is a place for both. But if you want a gun you can move from your pants pocket and put in your overcoat pocket (and shoot through the coat), then the small revolver wins.

    As for cost, with the .38 there are no extras to buy--no spare magazines, special sights, etc. Once you buy it, you are done spending money (oh, add one speed loader--$11.00).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Packard View Post
    Faith (non-religious faith) comes into play here too. I have never had a revolver fail to fire. Ever.
    Actually, a revolver failing to fire is more common than you think. Me and my brother were at a range together...I was trying out his .38 special revolver and he was trying out my 9mm auto.

    I fired the second round and the tumbler would not turn. The recoil of the previous dishcharges had caused the remaining bullets to separate from the casing slightly and protruded beyond the end of the tumbler and into the frame of the gun, thus preventing the tumbler from turning to the next round. In fact, the gun was totally disabled until we found a rangemaster to force the bullet back into the casing with a small hammer....then the other three bullets had to be repaired in the same manner.

    And, it turns out for some types of calibers this is more common...especially the higher pressured rounds because they cause more recoil.

    I am not saying auto's are any more reliable....but I can recover from a failed round much more easily with an auto.

    Handguns are mechanical devices and rely on the quality of ammo being fired in them and will fail from time to time....that is a fact.

    I put the choice of revolver or auto into the personal preference column. I prefer auto's because they are thinner for IWB carry and I can carry more bullets.

    Be safe.

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    Diamondback 9mm pocket carry

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    Steve,
    Do you know of any small, lightweight triggered DAO guns?
    I like the Kahr PM9 trigger...long but relatively light.
    Any DAO that get down below 5 pounds?
    I compared many of the smallest cc and settled on the db9
    I really like the trigger pull and its so small
    I have a deposit on the kimber solo stainless but I could not wait.

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    carry .380 -- Sig 238.

    9mm carry -- Glock 19

    House 9mm -- Either Sig 226, Glock 17 or Beretta 92.

    All those pistols have been very easy to shoot, accurate, and rock solid reliable.

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    I am starting to regret how I put this poll together.

    Sonja,
    I think you have an excellent list, and based on more experience with handguns, I think your list is just as good if not better.
    But, the triggers on those guns look like they would be quite different, especially the Glock vs. Sig. How do you train so that you instinctively know which trigger you are pulling?

    Also, why not the Glock 26 for carry...smaller, lighter weight, same Glock trigger?

    The Sig 238 has a safety and the glock 19/17 doesn't. How do you train so you know whether to release the safety or not?

    Just asking because I face the same questions for my guns.

    Thanks,

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    Just a new guy to the this, and find that alot of you love the glock and sig. Glock is a fine firearm, just not for me (not comfortable grip), own several sigs, 220, 225, 226, 229, 23 and 239. But the best I have for conceled cary is my detonics, great carry weapon. And if you carry and dont practice with what you carry there can be confustion with saftys ect. But at the range days i practice with a about 5-6 firearms, including my S&W 41 just for starters. Just remember to practice both strong and weak hand, and any other carry leather you might use. just a thought

    just a new kid on the block
    Shoot safe JT

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    I voted none of the above.
    Not that the list is wrong, it's just wrong for ME!
    For you, it will be different too.

    My top six are the one's I own!

    Lateck,

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    I'm a fan of all quality pistols, I'm not a fan of junk pistols. The more pistols I own,The happier I get.

    You all know how it is.Start at buying one pistol,The next step is,You say just one more. And then you see the new type you won't now.And you say,Well just one more. And then a new color comes out.And you say,Well just one more.One more turns in to 5 Then 20 then 50.

    Just can't say no to LOVE.

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    My .380 and 9mm

    Carry a Bersa Thunder .380 with Corbon Pwrball 70 gr ammo
    Also Carry a Ruger SR9c loaded with Hornady Critical Defense 115 gr ammo sometimes
    For range and Home I have a Stoeger Cougar 9mm one very nice gun

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