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Kahr PM9 (stainless)
Looking at the Kahr PM9 and the Ruger LC9. Need some feedback.
Considering purchasing one of these firearms for everyday carry and I would like some feedback from experienced users.
Easy to conceal.
Comfortable to wear all day, every day. IWB? Pocket?
Durability and reliability. I don't buy a lot of guns so I want something that's gong to last.
I know there is good bit of difference in price but I'm saving some money up so i'll save towards the better of the two. So for now, price doesn't matter.
Kahr just released this week a CM9 which is a PM9 with a few less bells and whistles. It is the CW9 in a PM9 oackage. It is a new release like the LC9 is and neither have a long track record. The PM is a rock solid weapon and a great gun, I also own the CW9 Kahr so even though I don't have a CM9 I have its 2 closest relatives and would not hesitate for a second to recomend anything 9mm made by kahr.
The LC9 seems like a real winner too, I have held one and like it, in this case however I would go with the Kahr. Now this only my opinion and is not meant to be taken in any other ofrm then my opinion.
The Kahr CM or PM9 are both pocketable light weight thn and can be carried easily hidden all day long. There are plenty of very good holsters available for the Kahr and it has a very reliable customer service department.
Ruger has also got very syellar customer service department and I am sure there is holstere=s and gear on its way to market for the LC9. It too will hide and carry easily.
So as far as hiding in the pocket or a well hidden holster, there's no big difference between the two, I gotcha.
I went to my more favorable lgs today but they had neither model in so I couldn't get a good feel or size comparison between the two.
I've probably watched 30-40 video reviews between these two guns in the past few days and have not really heard any negatives except for the video makers self preferences (safeties for example).
Makes this decision difficult. I'm pretty patient about saving money for something I really want but I'm afraid once I save up to the price of the Ruger I may break! Hahaha.
Let's seeeee, get the Ruger NOW, be happy. Orrrrr save another couple hundred bucks or so and be completely satisfied with the Kahr.
Thanks for the reply.
I'm waiting on the CM 9 ...... finally decided on CM 9 over Ruger LCP 9 after much research.... CM 9 is just a PM 9 with standard rifiling and some manufacturing tweaks to bring down the cost ...
I have a LC9 and I did look at Kahr's but, I like the finish on the Ruger.
I also believe that Ruger has their act together now.
Ruger does have their act together. They are a good company. Guns are personal the finish on teh LC9 is not the finish you will get on a Kahr. If you like it better then you surely picked the right gun.
If money is no object you could go either way. In my case I chose the PM9. Got a new one two weeks ago and liked it so much I picked up a new T9 yesterday.
I have an SRc9 and am very pleased. As far as holster goes, I got a Remora clipless holster for IWB or (big) pocket carry for around 30 bucks. The holster really does stay where you put it. Any of the handguns mentioned here would be fine. I really recommend you look at the Remora for whatever gun you choose. No, I have no connection to Remora other than being a satisfied customer.
I bought my Ruger LC9 the 1st week that they were being shipped.
I just happened to be in my LGS when UPS delivered 3 of them.
I looked at it, then bought it.
IMHO Ruger has hit another home run with the LC9.
It's about 25% larger than my LCP.
I can carry it in my front jeans pocket.
It fills the pocket, but is not uncomfortable.
I've put around 300 rounds through it w/o one problem.
I've had a Ruger firearm of one description or another for over 40 years, and so far (knock on wood), I've yet to have a bad one..
Some time back I bought my first LCP, and it is so good that I bought a 2nd, and then my bride wanted one, so she has one also..
All three, perfect right out of the cheap white cardboard box. Reliable, accurate....
I already have 7-8 9MM compact pistols so I wasn't even looking for another one when my buddy brought his LC9 over and let me shoot it.
Surprisingly accurate from self defense distance and of course absolutely RELIABLE... Actually put 'em side by side and the LC9 is just an LCP on steroids....
So, I had to have one..
$365.00+tax later I brought my new LC9 home, cleaned it, took it out back and yep.... Accurate and reliable, just like all the others..
I think if you are a Kahr "person", you'll love the new Kahr.. If you are a Ruger person, you'll love the Ruger..
There are no losers when both of your choices are very, very good..
So, you pick the one that calls your name the loudest, and betcha' you'll be happy with it.
I bought a new Kahr PM9 before I retired to use as a BUG in my ballistic vest pocket while doing raids. It had a problem with not going back into battery after firing the weapon and I would have to thumb the slide forward every shot. It went to Kahr 3 times for the same problem before I decided to get rid of it. The last thing I wanted was to go to that pistol in order to save my life and find it wouldn't shoot reliably. I have known other agents to carry them, but once was enough for me. I paid close to $750.00 for that thing and expected it to work as advertised, but it didn't. I may have just got a bad one, which is certainly possible. Today, if I had to choose between the two choices, I would go with the Ruger every time. Good luck with what you get!
Can't help you with actual gun experience.
Originally Posted by S.Fitz
I went to buy a LC9 from Cabela's first shipment. Fondled the LC9, the Kahr PM9, and the new Sig P290 Special Edition pocket 9mm.
Came home with the Sig. It is NOT a good price point weapon. I WANTED the P290 and I bought it as my "first Sig".
I'd have no problem carrying either the LC9 or the "new" CM9. But the PM9 experience above is "unsettling", to say the least.
What I can recommend from experience is the DeSantis "Super Fly" pocket holster for any "pocket gun".
It's like their Nemisis holster with an added "square" flap, velcro'd and ambidextrous.
It is a great gun protector, even if you don't use it in a pants or coat pocket. Especially for console or glovebox or nightstand storage.
I have one for my J-frame, and I'm getting one for my Sig.
No, I have no connection with DeSantis.
POCKET HOLSTERS — DeSantis Holster
Both the Walther PPS and the Kel-tec PF9 fit neatly in that catagory. The Walther is a high end version and in 9mm is reported to be very reliable.
The Kel-tec is a budget version. Early examples had problems; current production is supposed to be very good.
for the same price as the new kahr, i can get 2 used Keltecs. One to practice with, one to actually carry. shoot the "duty' gun very little, put the wear, tear and fouling on the practice gun, where parts breakage, etc, wont risk your life.
Probably two new ones; I've seen them going for $260.00 new on-line.
Originally Posted by buckler
I don't know that you would shoot a Kel-tec so much that it would benefit you to have two. Initially I would want to shoot a couple of hundred rounds to break it in and make sure that my carry ammo cycles reliably. After that, I would imagine that shooting one magazine every couple of weeks would be enough to keep you sharp.
I have not shot this weapon, but at under 13 ounces and carrying 9mm rounds it does not sound like a pleasant range gun. I would not imagine that I would run a lot of ammo through a weapon like this.
Try to find a store with range and shoot them both or use a friends if you can then choose the one you prefer....
I owned a Kel-tec P11 and I did not like it at all.
IMHO it was terrible to shoot and I even put the trigger shoe on it & still didn't like it.
It's a cheap price for a reason.
The Ruger LCP and LC9 were a dream to shoot in comparison. .
+1 on the De Santis Superfly mentioned by DanP_from_AZ. I got one for my LCR and it really works well. Good adhesion in the pocket and no printing. I paid $15 at a show, not sure of regular retail price.
The Ruger has the kind of reliability I got from my Browning Hi Power in Viet Nam. It has that feel. The Hi Power is not as concealable and I use the Ruger with confidence. I am not familiar with the Kahr per se, but my experience with Kahr overall does not give me the comfort that Ruger does. Just an opinion.
There are some features that are different:
LC9 has a manual safety and a magazine safety, so when the mag is out you can't pull the trigger. I like the manual safety but despise the mag safety. I like to be able to dry fire the pistol to do trigger pull practice, especially on a long pull DAO and have to keep an empty mag around just for dry fire. (Someone will probably figure out how to disable the mag safety soon.) I have a Smith and Wesson Bodyguard 380 DAO and every time I pull the trigger, the hammer cocks and falls. Great for dry fire exercise with SnapCaps.
While there is a version of the PM9 you can buy with a manual safety, the vast majority are sold without the safety. There is also no magazine safety, so the trigger will pull and the striker will fall if the mag is out. However, because it is striker fired, you must use the action to cock the striker to dry fire practice. Also, if a round fails to fire, you can't just pull the trigger again...you have to rack the slide for a new round. I actually have a used PM9 on the way based on a personal recommendation, but I may get frustrated that I can't easily do dry fire exercises with it, but those who own the PM9's really love them. I did have two dealers tell me they didn't like the Kahr's, but that could be that they are promoting other brands, and there have been some magazine and barrel issues with certain series, which I heard Kahr has repaired at no charge.
Right now I enjoy carrying and shooting the Bersa 380CC...DA/SA, safety, small and easy to conceal, accurate, good looking in nickel, and I was able to disable the mag safety. And, the trigger is smooth. They make a 9mm UltraCompact version I am ready to try.
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