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    Hi-point firearms

    Has anyone fired or had any knowledge of these mainly the 9mm i cant find to much just that its a lower price so most people think lower quality. i would just like all honest feedback thanks

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    People who really know weapons don't think lower quality because its lower priced, they think lower quality because they are lower quality.
    Wait a while, save more money, buy a good gun.

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    They're lower in price, and yes, you'll find many people who have never even handled one tell you that they are utter POS guns. I own one and know many others who own them, and have found them to be just as accurate and dependable shooting pistols as any higher priced firearm. They're not beauty queens, they're heavy and bulky, worthless for concealed carry. But, as any pistol, if you load it and pull the trigger, it goes boom, and the round hits where you intended it to go if you do your part.

    Mine is not nearly my favorite pistol, but it does what it's intended to do, put rounds on target accurately. And I've never regretted buying it. I can't say that about every gun I've ever owned.

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    Hi-Point Firearms are not generally well thought of, although they have some staunch supporters. If you need to save money, I'd recommend going used or surplus. For a similar price range ($220), I ended up going with a surplus CZ-82; I've been pretty happy with it overall. If I'd had about $400-500 to spend, I probably would have been looking around for one of the Gen 3 Glock 19s. Just make sure you do your homework on the guns you look at, and you should be fine.

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    I've heard statements on both sides of the fence. My ex went shooting with a buddy of ours who had a HiPoint .45 I believe, said he has never had a malfunction.

    On the opposite side of the fence, I attended a firearms training where one woman was totally new to firearms, and because she wanted something cheap to learn with, she ended up getting a HiPoint...the instructor ended up having her use someone else's weapon.....the gun would fire the first shot and the slide locked back EVERY time, even though there were still rounds in the magazine.....a few of the instructors tried firing, with the same results.

    Just my person opinion, I've heard too many negative things to give them a shot and I wouldn't trust my safety to one (not to mention they are just fricken ugly LOL).....my advice would be either find a good used gun or save up some more money and buy a decent one brand new.

    Good luck with it

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    I have the 995 (9mm carbine) and have nothing but praise for its functionality. It has been reliable and accurate enough for a self-defense weapon. My only real complaint is that the trigger pull is not great, but then again I wasn't expecting a $1,000 trigger pull from a $200 gun.

    As for the pistols, I have read lots of compliments from folks who actually own them. The biggests issues seem to revolve around 1) its looks, 2) hiding the huge weapon if used for CCW, and 3) the fact that people bad mouth them just because they are inexpensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatos View Post
    I've heard statements on both sides of the fence. My ex went shooting with a buddy of ours who had a HiPoint .45 I believe, said he has never had a malfunction.

    On the opposite side of the fence, I attended a firearms training where one woman was totally new to firearms, and because she wanted something cheap to learn with, she ended up getting a HiPoint...the instructor ended up having her use someone else's weapon.....the gun would fire the first shot and the slide locked back EVERY time, even though there were still rounds in the magazine.....a few of the instructors tried firing, with the same results.

    Just my person opinion, I've heard too many negative things to give them a shot and I wouldn't trust my safety to one (not to mention they are just fricken ugly LOL).....my advice would be either find a good used gun or save up some more money and buy a decent one brand new.

    Good luck with it
    I don't think anyone said that a bad one could come out of the factory, she could send it back to Hi Point with comments about the issue with it, and they'd fix it free. Why you'd take a firearm to a training course (I'd guess to get her CCW?) without testing it's function makes no sense. Three instructors at my CCW class had to loan guns to students because of issues with the brand new gun they'd just bought, and brought for their qualification shooting for the class. The three failed brand new guns? A S&W M&P, a Glock and a Taurus. The S&W locked to the rear and refused to budge no matter what anyone tried to remedy it. The Glock "threw" out the guide rod, the Taurus broke the firing pin after a total of 3 rounds fired. So, not only Hi Points ship guns that malfunction.

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    Glad you asked about Hi-Point and not some other manufacture like Tar......... (There are some strong words!)

    I have held a couple of Hi-Points and for the price I almost bought one.
    Would I prefer a different gun, Yes, but if price is the issue I would buy one.

    Lateck,

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    Quote Originally Posted by stickhauler View Post
    I don't think anyone said that a bad one could come out of the factory, she could send it back to Hi Point with comments about the issue with it, and they'd fix it free. Why you'd take a firearm to a training course (I'd guess to get her CCW?) without testing it's function makes no sense.
    Yeah of course, I wasn't suggesting that only Hi Point can ship out a bad weapon, its just that is my only personal experience with them beyond stuff I'd heard. I'm sure some of them work fine, but I just don't care for them personally.

    As for taking it to a training course without testing its functionality first, of course that is absolutely stupid LOL, but I can't say I'd expect anything more from her...she wasn't a very bright individual. The training we were doing was sort of beginner's pistol course...I was a member of a professional criminal justice fraternity at my university and we were lucky enough to get the International Pistol Team from the Army Marksmanship Unit @ Ft. Benning to provide a training course for our members who weren't as experienced with guns as the rest of us.

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    I've related a story here before about a Hi-Point self destructing while I was teaching a guy that bought one how to safely handle a firearm. He didn't know anything about gun handling, or gun purchasing from the looks of it. He'd bought a brand new Hi-Point and brought it to the range to try it out. He put a magazine worth thru it, then reloaded under my instruction. He started firing again, slowly... and when the slide returned to battery, the front end of it proceeded to come off and bounce on the lane table and onto the cement floor below. It literally broke in half at the ejection port after about 9 total rounds. After retrieving said slide from the floor, we took a look at it and I pointed out that it looked like the metal they use to make frying pans out of, not gun steel.

    Sure, some function, some fall apart, and some just don't run at all. I would never buy one, and here's why.

    1. I wouldn't trust my life to one.
    2. If you can afford to save up $140... you can afford to save up $500. It'll just take a little longer so you'll have to scratch that "instant gratification" itch some other way.
    3. Magazines for these guns are a complete joke. Being that most pistol malfunctions stem from the magazine...well, that makes the gun a joke.
    4. NASA may count on the lowest bidder to shoot people into space, but I know of at least 14 astronauts who wish they wouldn't have.

    I'll pass on Hi-Point. You couldn't give me one for free, and no I'm not a gun snob, I just care that what I depend on to save my ass is going to work right the first time, not after having to send it back for free warranty work. Life and death situations don't allow for shipping and repair time, so neither do I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhurdan View Post
    After retrieving said slide from the floor, we took a look at it and I pointed out that it looked like the metal they use to make frying pans out of, not gun steel.
    Slide and some other 'metal' components are a zinc alloy casting. If you are looking for a reliable and lower cost centerfire semi-auto, take a look at a new or used Ruger. The Ruger P series firearms are not competition/match grade, but they are well built and reliable.

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    Based on some of the posts in this thread, I'll not dignify their comments with a reply. I can't think of a handgun made, and marketed today that you can't Google "malfunction" and add the specific brand name and not find pictures of that pistol doing just what is claimed by some to occur with a Hi Point on near every round.

    Yep, Hi Point pistols are big, heavy, and hard to conceal. As are all steel full sized semi-auto pistols chambered in 9 mm or larger caliber. Yet, somehow people find a way to hide a full sized Colt 1911 A.
    A pistol that has the same limitations as a Hi Point C-9, or their .40 S&W model or their .45ACP model pistol, a magazine that holds 8 rounds. My son found a way to conceal a C-9 until he upgraded to a Bersa Thunder 9 mm pistol, yet another heavy and hard to conceal pistol, with a limited mag capacity.

    It seems nearly every comment claiming they're "jam-masters" or exploding firearms are second story versions. Near like the "my uncle's best friends ex-wife's brothers friend" actually saw the offending firearms problem. My best friends brother knew a guy who was related to a girl who knew a brother of the father of a guy who claimed he was working for NASA in 1969. That guy said the moon landings were a fake, filmed on a Hollywood sound stage. But he said not to tell anyone, or he might get killed for disclosing the information.

    Another gripe seems to be that a person "held" a Hi Point and didn't like how it felt in his hand. I own a Glock, and hate the way it feels in my hand. But I shoot quite nice groups with it, and it's a ex-law enforcement pistol with unknown numbers of rounds through the tube. I kind of like how a Hi Point feels in my hand, I just own other guns that are lighter, slimmer, and hold more rounds than my Hi Point does. And a lot easier to conceal. That's why my choice is a SR-9 C, they sell for double what I see Hi Point pistols selling for new these days.

    But if I had to carry my Hi Point, I'd find a way to do so, and given the operation and reliability I've had with mine, I'd trust it to defend myself if I had to. That is the only standard I use for a gun's worth. Would you trust your life on it if that was the only gun you had. I'd trust it. Just don't choose to carry it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stickhauler View Post
    Based on some of the posts in this thread, I'll not dignify their comments with a reply. I can't think of a handgun made, and marketed today that you can't Google "malfunction" and add the specific brand name and not find pictures of that pistol doing just what is claimed by some to occur with a Hi Point on near every round.
    For me (meaning my personal opinion, which I'm entitled to regardless of if you want to "dignify" it or not) it's not that all pistols have incidents, it's the RATE at which some pistols have those incidents. If people cannot wrap their head around the fact that Hi-Points are inferior in design and construction than more tried and true brands... well then, by all means spend the money on the lifetime warranty. You're going to need it.

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    Hi-Points are like those disposable cameras. They often work perfectly, when you least expect it, and then they don't.

    If I knew I needed a gun, and that's all I could get, I'd go with it. But, I can afford a gun with a good reputation for reliability and accuracy, so that's what I go with. You do the best you can when planning to defend yourself, or others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhurdan View Post
    For me (meaning my personal opinion, which I'm entitled to regardless of if you want to "dignify" it or not) it's not that all pistols have incidents, it's the RATE at which some pistols have those incidents. If people cannot wrap their head around the fact that Hi-Points are inferior in design and construction than more tried and true brands... well then, by all means spend the money on the lifetime warranty. You're going to need it.
    And the day you can actually produce statistics to quantify the fact that Hi Point has an inordinate number of failures as opposed to the usual 15th hand stories usually offered as proof they're worthless, maybe you'll have something. Until then, there is no proof Hi Point has any worse (nor other pistols) better than they are. How many pistols go through recalls every year? I know one I bought had a recall (the LCP) on earlier models, pistols after a certain serial number had the fixes done while they were being built. Many other companies have had similar issues. Somehow we're not seeing a new thread weekly with people claiming they're total POS guns, why is that? I'd bet because even though having problem with one model, they've had success with other models, and a thread proclaiming "A (insert whatever brand) pistol is a POS!" would invoke so much anger from fans of the brand you'd see them calling for the person who started the thread to be hanged.

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    I have never shot one but, my friend has one and no complaints. I would think it would be fine with proper upkeep but, I'd go with something else. That being said, I own a century arms wasr-10 which is like the lowest on the totem poll in Ak land, Everyone bashes them. I bought it brought it home detail striped it cleaned the living hell out of it and ended up changing the shepards hook with a krebs. I have NEVER had any problems with it. Not my fav but, it works. I'm in the process of saving up for a higher end variant tho. I'm sure it'd be the same story with a hi-point, make sure you check it all out before you buy it and make sure you don't fall back on upkeep and I would think it'd be ok.

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    Seeing some Hi-Points in CHL classes I teach in OH. There hasn't been any issues seen by me that were a fault of the gun. I have seen fail to feed or eject when they were limp wristed. Firing them to be sure it was operator error. I found them to be fairly accurate at distances of 7 yards and closer. There have been the same failures on high end semi autos when limp wristed. I remember one of them that came thru the class that was outfitted with a laser, and rail light. I thought wow you have more in the bells and whistles than the gun itself by far! No matter they seemed to have shot. They are a little "clunky" in size and most I have seen were new or newer maybe after a few thousand rounds who knows what they are like. I have heard you aren't to really take the gun down for cleaning as it nearly impossible to reassemble. If you only can afford a Hi-Point then by all means get one, it sure beats throwing rounds by hand!

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    I was recommended a Hi+Point by three of my good buddies. All three had a HP and all three swore by them. All three also have multiple other guns. The HP .45 was my first gun as I didn't want to spend a fortune until I knew what I really wanted, but I also wanted something to defend my home.

    So far, I have shot over 1000 rounds thru it, without a single issue of any sort. Much like my three friends that have more rounds than I do through theirs.

    It is quite accurate and one of my favorites to shoot at the range. It is too big for me to carry, but it functions fine and hits what I point it at.

    For the money, you do not have much to lose. I bet you like it if you try it. I know I like mine. Is it the best looking gun, no way. But it is worth the money, especially with the warranty, although I haven't needed it. So there is some first hand experience for you. I still have it and still shoot it often. I also still like it.

    My next gun is going to be a 9mm, but not a HP. I am thinking Stoeger.

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    A used C-9 was my first pistol for $100. I was told the guy that owned it traded it in because his friends laughed at him for buying such a POS for the range. For the 2 years I owned it I never had one problem with it. Accurate and reliable. I have better guns now but my younger brother who now owns it loves to show his friends how he can outshoot them at the range with his POS.
    I bought it because of break-ins in my neighborhood. I didn't have time to "save for something better" to protect my family. At the time $100 was stretching my budget for home security.

    If I had it to do over and had a decent budget sure I would buy better.

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    thanks for the help. i dont care so much about looks and being cool there is always going to be some jackass with something to say. my main concern is protection and range time. bieng new to shooting i want something without droping $600. thanks

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