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    .40 cal

    Why is .40 and .45 so popular in amercia . When most in the rest of the world are happy with 9mm.

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    Because America got it right.

    And we don't like the metric system.

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    Probably the same reason soccer is so popular in the rest of the world, but just doesn't cut it here in America.

    Most caliber discussions seem to devolve into a shot placement defense of smaller calibers. However, if the center mark of the shots would strike the target in identical places, would you rather have hit with a 9mm or a .45 bullet? In hunting a case can be made for wanting to use the smaller bullet, likewise in target shooting, but in self defense I have yet to hear a good case for smaller is better.

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    9mm is popular here too. We just have options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couch Potato View Post
    Probably the same reason soccer is so popular in the rest of the world, but just doesn't cut it here in America.

    Most caliber discussions seem to devolve into a shot placement defense of smaller calibers. However, if the center mark of the shots would strike the target in identical places, would you rather have hit with a 9mm or a .45 bullet? In hunting a case can be made for wanting to use the smaller bullet, likewise in target shooting, but in self defense I have yet to hear a good case for smaller is better.
    Hi All calibers are a compromise we could all carry .50 cal pistols but it would not be practical . 5.65 mm is a compromise from 7.62 mm . Rounds are lighter you can carry more, more control on auto ect. Same goes for 9mm . Yes the americans like something caled american football .

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    Quote Originally Posted by propellerhead View Post
    9mm is popular here too. We just have options.
    Hi We have options to i have a .45 and a 9mm had a .40 sold it .

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    .40 is a good balance and kind of splits the difference between 9 and 45. Slightly larger and more oomph than 9mm, but you still have decent capacity in a double stack compact frame. You hear of people going into ERs getting shot 3 times with 9mm and walking out of the hospital...not too many of those with .40 or .45. Shot placement is indeed king. One can certainly defend oneself effectively with a 9mm. For some, the extra capacity and more controlability of a 9mm makes it advantageous. Everyone has to find their own balance of pros and cons. Everything is a comprimise of some sort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rupert View Post
    Because America got it right.

    And we don't like the metric system.
    We had the same idea with the .455 call before going to .38 and then 9mm. The most popular pistol and sub machine gun round in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manta View Post
    Hi All calibers are a compromise we could all carry .50 cal pistols but it would not be practical . 5.65 mm is a compromise from 7.62 mm . Rounds are lighter you can carry more, more control on auto ect. Same goes for 9mm . Yes the americans like something caled american football.
    Certainly compromises are made for all weapons. Even with nuclear missiles you have the choice between single warhead missiles and multiple warhead missiles each of which have their strong points and weak points.

    I'm sure some here in America do carry .50 cal pistols, and would mount a nuclear missile in the back of their vehicle if they could. Americans like variety, and demand choices. The idea of being just like everyone else is repulsive to Americans, and yet they do enjoy having people agree with them. My preferred pistol right now is a .22 cal, but then self defense is not the purpose of my shooting right now.

    Football season has just begun in America, and life is good once again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BugDude View Post
    .40 is a good balance and kind of splits the difference between 9 and 45. Slightly larger and more oomph than 9mm, but you still have decent capacity in a double stack compact frame. You hear of people going into ERs getting shot 3 times with 9mm and walking out of the hospital...not too many of those with .40 or .45. Shot placement is indeed king. One can certainly defend oneself effectively with a 9mm. For some, the extra capacity and more controlability of a 9mm makes it advantageous. Everyone has to find their own balance of pros and cons. Everything is a comprimise of some sort.
    If you are hit in a non vital area with a 9mm or a 45 it wont kill you . If you are hit in a vital area it will kill you . Same outcome both cal .

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    Quote Originally Posted by manta View Post
    If you are hit in a non vital area with a 9mm or a 45 it wont kill you . If you are hit in a vital area it will kill you . Same outcome both call .
    Yes, but if the 9mm just missed the "vital area," a 45 centered in the exact same spot will hit the "vital area" due to the larger diameter of the wound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manta View Post
    We had the same idea with the .455 call before going to .38 and then 9mm. The most popular pistol and sub machine gun round in history.
    You missed the part where .45 came after .38.

    So what is your theory on why we don't embrace the 9mm? I own a pair of .45's and a pair of .357's, and my wife has a 9mm because she liked the way it fit. I don't feel undergunned with any of them, I just don't personally own my own 9mm.

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    Most of the rest of the world is pretty screwed up where handgun ownership is concerned. Hardly a meaningful comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manta View Post
    Why is .40 and .45 so popular in amercia . When most in the rest of the world are happy with 9mm.
    Hi, you can always look at it in this way,
    If it makes you feel better start calling the 40 auto a 10MM instead.
    The .40 S&W is a 10X22mm cartridge.
    Then your back to metrics and happy again.

    The .45ACP has killed more bad guys then any other caliber in the world.
    It's the reason you and many other country's don't have to talk german.
    no offense intended.

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    The .45 ( a distinctly American caliber) was adopted by the army back when the .38s were not getting the job done in the Philippines (according to legend).

    It made a big hole and did not depend on expansion for results. In the military a full jacket is required and expansion does not happen.

    So if you compare a military .45 with a military 9mm the .45 will leave a much larger wound.

    Civilian and police service ammo does expand and the 9mm can be made to travel fast enough for reliable expansion--thus narrowing the damage gap between the 9mm and the .45.

    But American judgement is based on the military reputation of stopping power for the .45 and the lack of that for the 9mm.

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    The .45 ACP is just a sensible caliber. It puts a powerful impact on the target, without beating up the shooter. That big soft push that is the recoil of the .45 is actually quite pleasant to an experienced shooter.

    The .40 S&W, on the other hand, was just a compromise between the very effective 10mm round that is a great combat-power type round, and the 9mm, which is perceived to have failed so miserably in the Miami shoot-out that prompted a re-assessment of law enforcement armaments.

    In reality, the 9mm, properly loaded for self defense with modern ammo, gives up very little to the .40 S&W, but so many police forces have bought into it, the .40 is probably here to stay.

    But basically, it's just that Americans like to do things their own way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by propellerhead View Post
    9mm is popular here too. We just have options.
    Options is the key.....the rest of the world has Nothing or worse yet Orders!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Packard View Post
    The .45 ( a distinctly American caliber) was adopted by the army back when the .38s were not getting the job done in the Philippines (according to legend).

    It made a big hole and did not depend on expansion for results. In the military a full jacket is required and expansion does not happen.

    So if you compare a military .45 with a military 9mm the .45 will leave a much larger wound.

    Civilian and police service ammo does expand and the 9mm can be made to travel fast enough for reliable expansion--thus narrowing the damage gap between the 9mm and the .45.

    But American judgement is based on the military reputation of stopping power for the .45 and the lack of that for the 9mm.
    Much larger is right, as in about a 50% larger hole. Remember, the area of a circle is not a linear function. The size of the hole increases based on the square of the radius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tx944 View Post
    Hi, you can always look at it in this way,
    If it makes you feel better start calling the 40 auto a 10MM instead.
    The .40 S&W is a 10X22mm cartridge.
    Then your back to metrics and happy again.

    The .45ACP has killed more bad guys then any other caliber in the world.
    It's the reason you and many other country's don't have to talk german.
    no offense intended.
    I Think you will find 9mm has killed more people than .45 The germans and british both used it in there pistols and smg s during ww2 . The 9mm is the most pupular and most widely used pistol round in history ( Fact ) . If It is good enough for the SAS its good enough for me. (The SAS are the ones the amercian army copied to create the delta force ) Even the american army came round to or way of thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rupert View Post
    You missed the part where .45 came after .38.

    So what is your theory on why we don't embrace the 9mm? I own a pair of .45's and a pair of .357's, and my wife has a 9mm because she liked the way it fit. I don't feel undergunned with any of them, I just don't personally own my own 9mm.
    I Said.455 not .45 the british used both .455 and .38 in their pistols in ww2 .

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