View Poll Results: which one would you pick and why?
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Originally Posted by Packard
My vote was for the LCP because Kahr P380 was not on the list. Kahr is the best .380 IMO.
How come Seacamp is not on the list? It is smaller than any of them; has a long track record; and I believe they are quite reliable.
It is available in .32 or .380 as I recall.
See this size comparison chart: http://www.mouseguns.com/PocketAutoComparison.pdf
Also the Beretta (in .32 only).
Compare ballistics: http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_power_chart.htm
I have heard many folks say the LCP is a "copy" or Little Copy Pistol. As cute as it is to refer to this and as fun as it is to say these things I will take a page from a friend of mine on another forum who is a bit of a gun eficianato.
Originally Posted by Tuefelhunden
He knows guns and is just anal enough to research completely before he gives an opinion. I will pass on what he has to say...
The evolution of firearms is similar in ways obvious to many, to the evolution of life. There are certain effective traits that show up repeatedly in convergent evolution, using the parts and structures available. Occasionally, a new trait is developed, but overall, form and function dictate change and design. Simple really
I have looked at the Kel-tec and LCP drawings, and though they are similar, there are improvements made to the Ruger that give it new traits within the overall structure of the firearm design. There are no matter what one may wish to believe.
In my opinion, the design is an improvement on the Kel-tec. It is also a better-made firearm; of higher quality. That has been the remark of every reviewer and would be very hard to rationally dispute.
Thus, calling the LCP a "copy" of the Kel-tec is simplistic, and does not take into account the obvious differences in the two firearms, in relation to the general structure of that genre.
I specifically would not want the Kel-tec, after examining one, contrary to popular opinion, looks is not the main consideration. Well, that's evolution for you.
LCP .... I think the above poll says it all ......
(my wife has one)
Recoilguy I call it like I see it. Is it an exact copy? Granted it is not persay. But by and large Ruger obviously took what they liked and ditched (improved) what they didn't. No doubt a patent ran out. Happens every day. The result is, I agree a more refined and improved take on the original. I have no objections. Mine is a fantastic 380. But it is what it is. A very well done copy.
In a manner of speaking they are all copies of the Seecamp. Double action, 6 +1, .380, sub-compact.
How come the Seecamp is out of favor? And the Beretta. I had the Beretta years ago and the tip up barrel makes cleaning a breeze (and these guns tend to be used less, and accumulate more lint, etc., than other guns).
From my experience with the Beretta, the small guns are not as much fun to shoot and get shot far less.
I've had a Keltec P32, and hated it because of the trigger - even though it ran 100%. I no longer have it.
I'm not really into 380 - but if I were you, I'd look at the Kahr 380 first and formost.
I think that price and availablity play into this result. And why was the list so short? There are many other weapons that fit into that catagory that should have been included in the poll.
Originally Posted by sig225
If the poll question read: If price and availability were not a factor what weapon would you choose amongst the .380 sub-compact automatics.
Originally Posted by Packard
For a 380 , I didn't go with either one on the list.
I gathered all the Gun-Tests-reviews for all the 380's along with the buyers guide and I found
that the CZ-USA CZ -83 with the all steel frame, along with it's hammer firing wins.
Hands down it is more reliable been shot and reviewed more times then the others.
It isn't another striker fired mini, It's small reliable and did I mention , it's all -steel.
The only plastic on it is the grips, It holds 12+1 so you have capacity.
It is rated a A+ for reliability, value and accuracy.
It comes with a 3.8" barrel , longer sight plane , equals more accurate shooting.
AT 15 yards it shoots all twelve in the 9 ring for CHL qualifying.
I've shot 500 rounds through it now without a glitch
and it only weighs 28 oz.
This is as big and heavy as my old PPKs in stainless steel. At 6.8" long and 5" high a bit too long and at 28 oz. too heavy for a pocket pistol. My PPKs in an inside the waistband holster and a tee-shirt not tucked in would conceal well. But it would not make a pocket pistol. Too big and too heavy.
Originally Posted by Tx944
If I wanted to go that big and heavy I would go back to the PPKs (in .380, not .320). It is a proven design and very reliable too.
I prefer the Sig 238. Small, accurate, reliable. I carry it in a Don Hume pocket holster.
None of the three
I've had the pleasure of firing these weapons, They will all do nicely. However as far as 380's go I prefer the Sig P238 for pocket carry, it's trigger is sweet.
Since the .380 (no matter which you choose) will take possession of one of your pockets, might not a Kel-tec 9mm (single stack) conceal just as well? It is just .88" thick; about as thick as most .380s. It is taller and longer by a bit, but would still fit in my pocket.
So my question is, does the .380 make sense in light of the Kel-tec or does the 9mm make more sense?
I picked the LCP since it's the one I own and I did pick it over the other two when I purchased it. The reasons were this. My past experience with Ruger and Ruger's reputation for building quality firearms and their super service is there if needed. My second choice would be the Taurus. I've own several Taurus firearms and they work quite well. But I have heard bad stories about their service dept. Third I would pick the P3AT. It's a good gun and the one that started this whole polymer pocket rocket frenzy!
The LCP.Reliable.Small.Light.Thin.Plenty of rounds to do plenty of
damage.Comfort and easy concealment.Could,nt ask for more.
I voted LCP.
I looked at the other two also and found Ruger's quality of build to be better IMHO.
This is a recommendation on what not to get. About a year ago my brother took my daughter shopping for a handgun and they wound up with a Bersa in the 380. I have just given her boyfriend the go ahead to go find something else and trade the Bersa in. The boyfriend (has CHL, owns a number of guns and shoots frequently) says it jams and fails to eject constantly. He says he can't find ammo it likes and he has tried all kinds. I recommended that she look into something in a 9M because of price and availability of ammo. I am also looking for a 9 for myself. I recently purchased a Taurus 1911 45. It is a sweet shooter but a little big for carry (winter shouldn't be a problem).
One last try:Try the CCI Blazer 95 gr. TMJ.This load never jammed on my Bersa.
Salesperson at Cabella's told me the Ruger, 380 had problems and would advise me not to purchase. I have on line comparison of almost all 380 pistols and would probably go with the taurus ss. I also have a Springfiield xd 40 and a s&w 38 + p spec revolver.
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