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    I'm not asking out of ignorance, I am asking to see if you actually hold a weapon with your finger on the trigger.

    About 15 years ago my grandfather gave me the same shotgun you mentioned, I never had the firing pin issue, but if I pumped it too fast, three or four rounds would fall out of the bottom.

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    not the same gun then. this was a bolt action 12ga and the previous owner didnt take very good care of it, but it was one of my first guns and i didnt really know much about them or how to tell the differences between a poor action and a well maintained one. but ya i was just out of the service at the time of my 2sd ND. so ya my finger was in the guard. it took me a long time to get out of that habit when switching from military to the privet sector.

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    Interesting, I am in the military and have had it drilled into me countless times that the finger stays out of the guard until you are on target.
    Since this is the second time that you have referenced the military, I have to ask, What was your MOS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rupert View Post
    Interesting, I am in the military and have had it drilled into me countless times that the finger stays out of the guard until you are on target.
    Since this is the second time that you have referenced the military, I have to ask, What was your MOS?
    I have to agree, even the navy requires you never put your finger on the trigger unless you've aquired a target and are about to fire.

    even a function check requires a clearing barrel, or you've disassembled, cleaned, reassembled the weapon in a location in which NO ammunition was present, and even then the barrel is pointing in a safe direction. following the EXACT instructions given to you in any branch of military I've observed so far, it is impossible to discharge a round without either a target or user negligence of specific weapons handing instructions.

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    doesn't it make you think....

    ...that maybe carrying in the home at all times is a little over the top. I mean, i'm all about self-defense, but doesn't having a loaded firearm sitting at the ready on the bathroom vanity while taking a poo a bit overboard? The odds of someone breaking into your home while you are there, walking around with the lights on, are about the same as you getting struck by lightning...twice. Are you constantly wearing a lightning rod strapped to your head while you are tooling around your house?
    Let's be honest...i'd be extremely surprised if anyone who has ever posted to this website has ever drawn their firearm at a BG in their home....let's all just calm down and take it down a notch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fliperoo View Post
    ...that maybe carrying in the home at all times is a little over the top. I mean, i'm all about self-defense, but doesn't having a loaded firearm sitting at the ready on the bathroom vanity while taking a poo a bit overboard? The odds of someone breaking into your home while you are there, walking around with the lights on, are about the same as you getting struck by lightning...twice. Are you constantly wearing a lightning rod strapped to your head while you are tooling around your house?
    Let's be honest...i'd be extremely surprised if anyone who has ever posted to this website has ever drawn their firearm at a BG in their home....let's all just calm down and take it down a notch.
    i would visit this thread to voice your opinion on that subject, and to see what many people have already had to say about it

    Do you carry while at home???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rupert View Post
    Being considered Department of the Navy myself (USMC) I've got to say the Army has some serious issues with weapons. While yes, ND's have happened on all camps with all services, nothing was so shocking as coming in to Camp Fallujah in 04 and seeing signs posted in the chowhalls and any available bulletin boards asking "Have you seen this weapon?, if so please return it to Specialist so and so"

    Didn't have to ask where the M-4/203 we found in the hands of an insurgent shooting at us came from.
    wow just wow

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    Once when I was deer hunting in a climbing treestand and it was soo windy that day that it was rocking the tree (yes, it was a pretty good size tree) and when I saw a deer and then when I went to take the saftey off (a Remington bolt action rifle) the swaying of the tree caused my gloved finger to brush the side of the trigger, BAM, like to have jumped out of my skin, thankfully, all I shot was the ground !!!

    As much as the tree was rocking, I probably could not have hit the deer. Another lesson learned.

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    Negligent discharge.......the dumbust thing i have ever done

    i feel for you chris441. This just happen to me last night. luckily i was outside on my patio going through the actions of getting ready to field strip and clean my gun, the same exact way and process as i always do. forgettting that the mag was still in the gun and pulling back on my xd to pull the slide of to clean BANG the gun goes off. I immediatlely felt sick to my stomach, ashamed and disgusted with myself. on top of all of this my wife was sitting 5 feet away on her cell phone. i have not yet been able to get this out of my mind. i keep going through the ''what if's..........'' i am a very resposible gun owner when handleing, letting other people handle, while at the range and hunting. i felt like i was the most irrisponsible person in the world and felt like grabbing every gun i have and taking them to a gun shop today to sell. the gun was pointed in a safe direction and bullet when into the ground nobody was hurt and the cops did not come to the house. but this will definately make me double, triple and quadruple check the gun before i do any cleaning on it.

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    I'll bet that not one person here that has handled firearms extensively over many years can honestly claim they've never surprised themselves. The gunny that taught me to shoot (at age 9) taught me
    1) drop the mag
    2) eject the chambered round and lock the slide.
    3) visually inspect the chamber to make sure it's empty
    4) stick your pinkie in the chamber to make sure there isn't an invisible round in the chamber
    5) treat it like it's loaded anyway

    I still cooked one off once with a malfunctioning de-cocker.

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by fliperoo View Post
    ...that maybe carrying in the home at all times is a little over the top. I mean, i'm all about self-defense, but doesn't having a loaded firearm sitting at the ready on the bathroom vanity while taking a poo a bit overboard? The odds of someone breaking into your home while you are there, walking around with the lights on, are about the same as you getting struck by lightning...twice. Are you constantly wearing a lightning rod strapped to your head while you are tooling around your house?
    Let's be honest...i'd be extremely surprised if anyone who has ever posted to this website has ever drawn their firearm at a BG in their home....let's all just calm down and take it down a notch.
    I got a little story for there buddy. First off, I used to not carry at home. My sidearm was rarely in the same room as I me. Came home from work one day not feeling great. Decided to take a nap on the couch. Locked the front door first. I awake to a knock on the door. Peak out the window and see some 20 something year old male w/ a clipboard in hand. Decide to ignore him. Another knock. This is 1:00 p.m. mind you. I ignore again. Then I hear the door knob turning. A little at first and then more aggressive! I jump up and go to another room for my P-95 and my cell. Luckily I have a dog who goes off and the dude leaves. I call the cops and they find the guy walking the same street knocking on other doors. Arrested him for possession of methamphetamines. So the answer is yes, I now carry everywhere in my house w/ the exception of shit, shower, shave and sex.....and it is still within reach during those.
    Now imagine it was my wife and not me and she had not locked the door. What do you think the outcome would have been?

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    i accidentally discharged a Winchester lever action 30/30 when I was a kid and I was unloading it.

    Scared the hell out of everybody (me included) - luckily no one was hurt except my ego - dumb accident on my part.


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