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    Yeah, but you can just send it back to the factory for a free.... oh wait.

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    one of the "features" of a hi point is that each and every one of the comes with an "Operations & safety sheet", their manual is a sheet of paper.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyinpolack View Post
    do they actually make those out of cast iron? OMFG
    Worse than that. I am certain that the frame and slide on these weapons are made from zinc die castings. Zinc die casting is the process that turns out those highly polished chrome plated knobs on bathroom faucets, the chrome plated toilet paper holders and the chrome plated soap dishes.

    The main advantages of zinc die casting are that they can produce parts very, very cheaply; the parts can be cast with great accuracy and they take chrome plating very well. It is not a traditional firearms material. It is weak and it cracks easily; it is soft and wears quickly. But if you chrome plate the parts they will wear well in the configuration of the slides and if you make the parts beefy enough they will be strong enough (mostly). All of this explains why they fail, and why they have fat, clunky frames and slides.

    I personally would never own a weapon produced from a zinc die casting (even if it were alloyed with some aluminum--which makes it stronger, it really sucks as a firearms material.) It should be used for plumbing fixtures and lighting fixtures.

    But the weapons are cheap and they work for a while and for some people that is enough.

    Note: Some newer plumbing fixtures use plateable grade ABS plastics in place of zinc die castings. So maybe there will be a plastic gun in our future.

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    other than being big, bulky, and heavy, they are also ugly as sin. but good thing about the massive sidearm, is that you will have no problem beating someone to death with it. other than that ive heard nothing but good things, so to my surprise there are alot of used ones for sale. keep that in mind cause theres only a couple reasons why someone will sell a barely used gun which usually consists of: upgrading to higher quality (but if its such a good deal, any gun guy would keep it), in bad need of quick cash, something was found wrong with it that either is dangerous, or something the manufacturer will not cover under warranty, etc... so think hard about it $160 for a new 40s&w isnt bad at all but if you add another $250, you could find a good used beretta or glock in the same caliber

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    Quote Originally Posted by Packard View Post
    The main advantages of zinc die casting are that they can produce parts very, very cheaply; the parts can be cast with great accuracy and they take chrome plating very well. It is not a traditional firearms material. It is weak and it cracks easily; it is soft and wears quickly.
    except for the fact that zinc castings have been used in firearms since there have been zinc castings, i tend to agree with you....

    raven, jennings, jiminez, bryco, lorcin, rohm, rg, smith and wesson, walther , davis to name a few have all turned out guns with significant zinc castings and without fail, they have been huge pieces of crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45Sidekick View Post
    other than being big, bulky, and heavy, they are also ugly as sin. but good thing about the massive sidearm, is that you will have no problem beating someone to death with it....
    guns make horrible bludgeons , buy a hammer instead

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    Yes a hammer would be best but the op is wanting a gun that can double as a hammer in case an emergency roofing situation occurs in a shootout. Gotta stay prepared right?

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    Does High Point make a hammer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by recoilguy View Post
    Does High Point make a hammer?

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    yes but the warranty is void if you use it as am impact device

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    Hahahaha

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    ha!ha!ha!,now that you've all took a major crap on my high point,i'll ask again.does i have a weaver rail?oh,i heard the fbi carry this weapon.

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    ha!ha!ha!,now that you've all took a major crap on my high point,i'll ask again.does it have a weaver rail?oh,check this out:All Hi-Point firearms carry a lifetime, no-questions asked warranty.

    Whether you are the original purchaser, or the third-hand owner, your Hi-Point firearm will be repaired free of charge.
    i bet your $600 glock does'nt do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus220 View Post
    ha!ha!ha!,now that you've all took a major crap on my high point,i'll ask again.does it have a weaver rail?oh,check this out:All Hi-Point firearms carry a lifetime, no-questions asked warranty.

    Whether you are the original purchaser, or the third-hand owner, your Hi-Point firearm will be repaired free of charge.
    i bet your $600 glock does'nt do that.
    Marcus... earlier, you said you'd bought one... why not just pick the dang thing up and check it for a rail?

    I'd think the only reason it needs a lifetime, no-questions asked warranty is BECAUSE it's a piece of shit. I've personally seen two fail at the range... one spectacularly. Save your money next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus220 View Post
    ha!ha!ha!,now that you've all took a major crap on my high point,i'll ask again.does i have a weaver rail?oh,i heard the fbi carry this weapon.
    many many police agencies use hi-points... never know when you will need a drop weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TedDeBearFrmHell View Post
    many many police agencies use hi-points... never know when you will need a drop weapon.
    Nahh, they're instructional aides. "Never... ever... buy one of these folks. EVER!"

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    you've never seen other QUALITY handguns fail?its for a home protection weapon anyway.i have a taurus pt 24/7 .40 cal.for conceal carry weapon.which is not the best,but better than the high point.it has a rail but,don't know if its a weaver rail.i will call the company.

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    If it's for a home protection weapon, shouldn't it be the best you can afford? And by afford, I mean instead of dropping $160 on a paperweight, wait a few paychecks and buy a used Glock.

    Yes, I've seen other handguns fail, and I'd bet that 9 out of 10 were operator error (bad reloads or improper ammo selection for their gun).

    There's a reason there are no shooters who do it for a living (aka high end training courses, and yes, I've been to many of them) don't use Hi Points. It may work as a sample of one, but over all they are not well built, they are not proven over the long haul.

    I know someone will say it, so here it goes... "It's just for home defense". If someone thinks they can buy a pistol and load it and set it on the night stand and THEN hope that it will magically protect them... THEY'RE RETARDED. You have to shoot your gun, a lot! to get proficient enough to defend yourself from all but the most inept intruders. As the economy falls further into the shitter, the intruders are going to get more desperate and they will evolve their tactics to faster, harder entries rather than skulk in and out.

    If you shoot a Hi Point hard, I mean proficiency hard... it WILL FAIL.

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    Hey, they go "bang" when you pull the trigger !!

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    So does a 12 gauge pump mossy. So ask yourself which would you trust more as a home defense weapon? If you choose hi-point, you go ahead and rely on it but you can't say you wasn't given a better option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hud35500 View Post
    Hey, they go "bang" when you pull the trigger !!
    My whole point is that if you don't actually practice with the weapon you choose to test it's reliability, and to confirm that you have the skills beyond "pulling the trigger"... then you might as well buy a baseball bat. There is more involved with actually pointing a gun at another human being than what you see in video games. Trust me, I've pointed a "real gun" with real ammo at another living person. And I'm a civilian. It gets real.. real fast. If your training consists of shooting pop bottles on the weekend, you aren't ready for someone to break into your home. Everything will go wrong, including the amazing "I'll just blast 'em with my pot metal gun" routine.

    The point of owning a gun for self defense is to train with it. Like I said earlier, some people think that "just having it" is going to protect them. Proving a guns reliability over time is just icing on the cake once you can shoot under duress.

    Gotta get up early.. catch the rest of this tomorrow.... SHOOT SAFE!

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