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    In 9mm of the ones I've tried with pocket carry in mind Kahr PM9 would be my pick and suggestion. Had a PF9 that functioned properly but too much recoil for me to manage effectively. Many have them and are pleased but it did not work for me. Walthers PPS in 9 or 40 is a very nice gun and excellent for IWB duty but a little large for pants pocket carry in most cases. My opinion. As with most of these choices it is highly subjective. PM9 would get my vote based on what I have tried. CW9 as mentioned might work as well although it is going to be a tad longer which I think would narrow pants pocket choices. They would need to be deep.

    In 380, again from my experience (and many would deservedly call me crazy due to it's size), the Sig P232 would be my pick but is pushing it for pocket carry. I was able to make it work for pants pocket carry duty quite effectively in dress pants because of it's unique shape, reasonable weight and diminutive thickness but again this is "very" subjective. Bersa makes a very similar platform to the P232 at significantly less cost with some nice features some may consider to be superior to the 232. The quality and reliability of the Sig won out for me. If physics could be manipulated in order to make a full 9mm chambering fit into the P232 platform I would be in line to get one.

    Of all the choices I've mentioned I believe the PM9 is the smallest. Which takes us back to your original question given size to power ratios why not go full 9mm? No reason at all in my opinion. PM9. Good luck and hope my opinions are of some benefit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonsterB View Post
    no they have it, I saw it at Wally World next to the 9mm gap and 40 luger
    oh, byt the multi-use .357, works in revolvers and semi-autos. Got it

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    I ..what's the word... LOATHE.... Sam Adams, with the exception of their Irish Red, which no BAR carries. Yeah, I know I am strange like that.


    AS to the original question. My LGS today had, side by side, 2 .380s: a LCP -$348. A P3-AT- $279. Both NIB. Now i have nothing against the Ruger, but $70 is 3-4 boxes of ammo.....

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    There is a reason for that differeance. You could get a Jimenez for 120 that would buy you 1000 rounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuefelhunden View Post
    In 9mm of the ones I've tried with pocket carry in mind Kahr PM9 would be my pick and suggestion. Had a PF9 that functioned properly but too much recoil for me to manage effectively. Many have them and are pleased but it did not work for me. Walthers PPS in 9 or 40 is a very nice gun and excellent for IWB duty but a little large for pants pocket carry in most cases. My opinion. As with most of these choices it is highly subjective. PM9 would get my vote based on what I have tried. CW9 as mentioned might work as well although it is going to be a tad longer which I think would narrow pants pocket choices. They would need to be deep.

    In 380, again from my experience (and many would deservedly call me crazy due to it's size), the Sig P232 would be my pick but is pushing it for pocket carry. I was able to make it work for pants pocket carry duty quite effectively in dress pants because of it's unique shape, reasonable weight and diminutive thickness but again this is "very" subjective. Bersa makes a very similar platform to the P232 at significantly less cost with some nice features some may consider to be superior to the 232. The quality and reliability of the Sig won out for me. If physics could be manipulated in order to make a full 9mm chambering fit into the P232 platform I would be in line to get one.

    Of all the choices I've mentioned I believe the PM9 is the smallest. Which takes us back to your original question given size to power ratios why not go full 9mm? No reason at all in my opinion. PM9. Good luck and hope my opinions are of some benefit.
    The 1st time I checked out the PM9 I thought it was just a hair too big, so I began looking at the Ruger LCP. After a friend tried to steer me away from the .380 I decided to post this for your opinions. Many of you pointed me back towards the PM9. I went back to the local gun store this morning to check out the PM9 again and found that it would indeed work for pocket carry. I would just have to make some minor attire adjustments. I really like the PM9 but unfortunately it doesn't fit into the budget at the moment. My budget is $500, and that's already stretching. My friend is a police officer who trying to steer me towards a 9mm at minimum. He's a gun-crazy former marine who does nothing but study balistic reports and tries to get all the overtime work he can. A different friend, who is from a seperate group, is also a police officer and expresses that a .380 is effective with practice, meaning shot placement. I understand and agree with both which is why I have this dillema.

    As of now I think I'm pointed toward the Ruger LCP. Unfortunately money always seems to stand in the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by niadhf View Post
    AS to the original question. My LGS today had, side by side, 2 .380s: a LCP -$348. A P3-AT- $279. Both NIB. Now i have nothing against the Ruger, but $70 is 3-4 boxes of ammo.....
    Wow, that seems kind of steep for the Ruger. It's $289 at the local shop.

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    Certainly some decent choices in the sub $500 catagory. The Ruger LCP looks good and seems like a more refined version of the KT P3AT to me but I have never shot or owned either. I imagine it would be great to carry given it's size and weight but most likely not a whole lot of fun to actually shoot for the same reasons.

    Not on your list but thinking of cost, size and power as key factors a good pocket snub nosed revolver such as the S&W 642, 442, etc. might be worth considering and can be had for just a hair over or under $400. Used even better. 38 Spl+p is pretty close to on par with 9mm. Lot of folks still roll with the venerable snub when something larger isn't practical or doable. Just a lower cost alternative to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DjSaneR View Post
    With summer around the corner I'm in the market for a small pocket pistol. So far it looks like the Ruger LCP is on the top of my list, however, I would really like something with more punch than the .380 while still maintaining a small size close to the Ruger. I haven't found anything and doubt one exists, but figured I'd ask you folks just to cover all bases. I looked into the Kahr PM9 but it's still too big for my pockets and far more than my pockets can afford.

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    In addition to the downsides you've already heard about the .380 have you considered price & availability of ammo. I haven't seen any locally for about 2-3 months. On line sources say they won't have any until June or July in most cases if, they speculate at all.
    These caliber guns are being heavily marketed in proportion to the increase of CCW permits being handed out. You would seem to be the typical buyer in that you just want something you can throw in your pocket and not have to think about concealing it any further.
    Whatever your decision I wish you good luck with it.

    P.S. Were you able to try the LCP at the range? You may be surprised at your ability to manage recoil.

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