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    CorvetteChuck is offline Junior Member
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    Help me choose my new home defense gun (2 New Pistols)

    Just purchased (2) new hand guns after going through the long and formal process here in NJ. I plan to retire my Sig Sauer P230 (.380 Auto) in favor of one of my two new pistols; both of which pack much more punch.

    The choices are:

    1. Kimber 1911 Custom Crimson Carry chambered in .45 ACP (with the factory Crimson Trace laser grips). 230 grain FMJ, the ultimate man stopper, 7 + 1 in the chamber. No extra mags yet.

    2. Glock 20 with night sights chambered in 10mm auto (with one in the chamber and two 15 round mags I have 31 rounds 180 grain FMJ firepower on tap).

    Keep in mind that in NJ we are not permitted to have hollow-point bullets, so FMJ is what I plan to use. Also, while I understand that a good-old 12 Gauge Pump is the best for home defense, I prefer to handle a pistol in close combat situations and have been shooting hand guns for over 30+ years.

    I am in the process or running 500 rounds through both guns using the same exact mags and ammo to test accuracy and reliability. I don't need any surprises when I need the gun most.

    Your vote and feedback welcome. Thanks

    -Chuck

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    I'd be concerned with over penetration of the 10mm and would opt for the .45. You are allowed to have JHPs in your home, could you cite the statute preventing you from using them for self defense? I've been looking over NJ laws in the last couple days and haven't run across that one yet.

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    get the hell out of New Jersey!

    I went down to the gun shop today, pulled out my CCW permit, and walked out with a new .45 in about 15 minutes

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    Obviously you want to use the most reliable one, but assuming that reliability is equal, I would pick the one that holds the most rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YFZsandrider View Post
    get the hell out of New Jersey!

    I went down to the gun shop today, pulled out my CCW permit, and walked out with a new .45 in about 15 minutes
    Same thing here in Texas.

    But you can stay in New Jersey.....


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    ...IIRC, possession of hollow point ammo by civilians in Jersey is illegal...would someone who knows please post the statute??? If that's true...45ACP or .44Spl or .45LC would be my choices...

    ...look what I found searching:

    http://www.the-912-project.com/2009/...ars-in-prison/

    ...I wouldn't pass through that state for any reason...pity you, Sir!!!

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    I'd go with the Kimber after you put enough rounds through it to break it in and determine it is reliable.

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    I'd buy the Kimber in a heart beat.

    It's a great gun.



    It looks great - shoots straight and has a wonderful trigger.

    I don't know about NJ, but here in Texas 10mm is difficult to find and very expensive to buy and shoot.

    Good luck on getting the gun you want.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdog View Post
    ...IIRC, possession of hollow point ammo by civilians in Jersey is illegal...would someone who knows please post the statute??? If that's true...45ACP or .44Spl or .45LC would be my choices...

    ...look what I found searching:

    http://www.the-912-project.com/2009/...ars-in-prison/

    ...I wouldn't pass through that state for any reason...pity you, Sir!!!


    N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that:
    (2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)].
    Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ."
    N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1).

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    Quote Originally Posted by VAMarine View Post
    ...yep...that link is in what I quoted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepdog View Post
    ...IIRC, possession of hollow point ammo by civilians in Jersey is illegal...would someone who knows please post the statute??? If that's true...45ACP or .44Spl or .45LC would be my choices...

    ...look what I found searching:

    http://www.the-912-project.com/2009/...ars-in-prison/

    ...I wouldn't pass through that state for any reason...pity you, Sir!!!
    After reading that link I wouldn't want to be subjected to any time in NJ either. Follow the law and still end up looking at the gift of five years...whew

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    CA, MD, NJ, MA...won't see my face...and NY's on the edge...I thought we whupped the British for a REASON!!! Sad to see Americans so put upon by those who're supposed to serve them...and who'll squeal the loudest for help when it gets rough....

    ...that said, the Kimbers are fine, reliable weapons...and the .45 will do the job and be pleasant to shoot...the 10mm takes some gettin' used to....

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    Home Defense

    Hi CorvetteChuck,
    I have no experience with a 10 mm but I do have a .40 which is a like a 10mm short.
    The .40 is real snappy but at short range the recoil wouldn't through you off that much.
    My vote is for the Kimber as I just bought an Ultra Carry II with the Crimson Trace grips. I haven't had a failure to feed or fire with 230 grain roundnose or 230 hp.
    This is my second Crimson Trace equiped handgun (.38 Taurus snubby) and I told my buddy at work that I wouldn't buy another defensive pistol without Crimson Trace grips.
    I feel that strongly about them.
    I may get Trijicon night sites for it later.
    My .02 cents,
    gunr

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    I would definately take the Kimber.
    Have shot one a club member had,really nice shooter.
    The crimson trace grips are a big plus also.

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    the 45acp for home defense
    for home defense you aren't worried about carrying it
    also see
    http://handgunforum.net/showthread.php?t=16014

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