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    Marty919 is offline Junior Member
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    Concealed Carry is NOT for everyone (unfortunately)

    The topic of carrying a gun is so contentious, it rivals discussions of religion, abortion, politics...

    That said, I don't think many people can disagree that we live in a dangerous and unpredictable world... whether you live in a major city or a rural area. Amazingly stupid things happen every day, when most people least expect it. Of course you don't want to intentionally go into a 'bad' area. Of course you don't want to ask for trouble. But that's the whole point of carrying - that you are prepared when you DON'T expect trouble.

    So the obvious comes into play:

    1. The police play a critical role in our society, but they DO NOT and CANNOT protect the citizenry en masse proactively. And even if they WANTED to, like the saying goes: when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Try calling 911 when your life is at immediate risk. Or hoping that when it happens there is conveniently a policeman or policewoman standing 5 feet away. I love to gamble, but not like that.

    2. You hope you never need to pull your gun, but you'd rather have it and never need it, than need it and not have it.

    3. And a million other reasons, rationalizations, truisms that speak to the wisdom of legally carrying a gun.

    But it's NOT for everyone. Like driving a car, if you're not confident, don't do it. If you really don't feel comfortable carrying a gun, either don't do it (I don't want Nervous Nellies all around me with live guns), or better yet GET TRAINED. There is no substitute for experience. Most people find that the more they train and shoot, the more confident they become, and the more they 'feel' the seriousness of their responsibility as a gun owner and carrier.

    A lot of good info and advice in this thread, but I wanted to add one more tidbit:

    Carrying a gun IS serious business, and very serious responsibility. And that requires RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE who know that it's no one's business to know you are carrying (it cannot help and can only get you in trouble), that you don't pull your gun for anything less than YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER RIGHT NOW situations - and that does not include fights or arguments, or someone giving you the finger driving, or anything less than YOU BELIEVE YOU WILL DIE IF YOU DON'T PULL YOUR GUN!

    One stupid person carrying can make a media mess for all the rest of us legal, responsible gun owners, and that's the last thing we need. I personally make it a habit to educate everyone I know to be more responsible, use better judgment, discuss this with other gun owners, keep the responsibility issue high on everyone's mind.

    Stay safe everyone. Be smart. It's not that hard to do.

    And a word for new gun carriers: Yes it can be exciting to have just gotten your carry permit. But this is not a reality show, it's real life. The day you get your permit to carry is the day you should lose the ego and bravado completely. This is one of the ultimate privileges of being an adult, and there is no more serious reality than having the power of life and death riding on your hip. There is NO room for error, you need to develop a ZERO tolerance policy for yourself. It is NOT something to show off. Ever.

    Marty919

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    +1...

    ...quality, well-written post...welcome....

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    I second that.

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    I third that...I just hope everyone stays safe until the Good Lord calls them home...

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    My 2 cents

    Hi Guys, new to the forum. Seems like a cool place to hang out...

    Anyway, I felt that I should add my perspective to this discussion, as it's one close to my heart. I live in downtown Atlanta. My work is here and I live in my studio. On the last 6 months, there have been 3 armed car jackings, and 4 armed incidents involving my neighbors and friends. All of which have occurred within a 4 block radius of my home. Those are just the ones I know about that involved people I know first hand. Some scary sh*t! It's a war zone out there!

    To make things worse, our mayor, in her infinite wisdom, thought it a good idea to lay off many of the LEO's and firefighters, as the budget of our city is in a crisis situation due to the economy and a grossly mismanaged city pension fund.

    I have no choice but to carry. I'm no hero, have no desire to fight or cause trouble, don't believe any possession is worth a human life, and, if given the option, would probably choose not to carry. I simply don't have a choice, short of moving to a safer area, which would, in turn, be bad for my business, not to mention selling my property at a loss, which I'm not willing to do.

    That being said, I don't take the decision lightly. I applied for my permit and am taking a weekend long class by certified instructors. In addition, I plan to hone my skills with some IDPA matches and some serious range time. It's a major responsibility, and part of that responsibility is to get the proper training to be able to do so safely.

    Now I might get flamed for saying this (cut me a break guys, it's my 1st post), but it blows me away knowing that all I had to do to get a permit was to go down to city hall, get fingerprinted, fill out a few forms and give them $60. Never once was I asked what training I had or if I knew how to carry responsibly. Hell, they never even asked me if I had even shot a gun before!

    Why on earth would some training or certification not be required to get a weapons permit? You need it to get a drivers license for God's sake. I just don't get it.

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    +1 jklotz

    Welcome to this forum - I think you'll like it here.

    Great 1st post on your part.

    I agrees - everyone that get a carry licence should have to take a class & proficiency test.

    I didn't like taking my class either, but it needs to be done.


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    Welcome jklotz stick around this is the highest quality forum you'll find. No crap, just facts.

    There are many among us who would say that what little you went through was too much. By that I mean that your right to own and enjoy as many weapons as you like without any intervention whatsoever is gauranteed by the 2nd Amendment. You just walk into a store and buy what you want like bubble gum. My CC class instructor made no bones about the fact that we were "forced" to take his class, and he hated that for us. That being said I still believe some rules I agree with. Convicted felon restrictions, people with mental illnesses. You get the idea. But then that begs the question, where do rules make sense, and when are they infringing on our God given rights as U.S. citizens? The 2A doesn't address the problems we have today, but it's still the most important one of all. Without it, none of the others are enforceable.

    If you're just getting started spend some time here. There is no question you might have that hasn't been asked (some repeatedly) and no answer you can't find. As you browse different forums, you'll see what I mean. You might stop by the new members forum and intro yourself if you haven't already. See you around!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jklotz View Post
    Now I might get flamed for saying this (cut me a break guys, it's my 1st post), but it blows me away knowing that all I had to do to get a permit was to go down to city hall, get fingerprinted, fill out a few forms and give them $60. Never once was I asked what training I had or if I knew how to carry responsibly. Hell, they never even asked me if I had even shot a gun before!

    Why on earth would some training or certification not be required to get a weapons permit? You need it to get a drivers license for God's sake. I just don't get it.
    No flame intended here, but shouldn't a genuinely free man, which our Constitution was written to protect, take responsibility for his own safety, and have enough sense not to endanger the safety of those around him?

    I'll grant you that there are a few knuckleheads out there with guns, that are dangerous to law-abiding citizens. But that is no excuse for the government to think it can or should remove rights from the rest of us. That same knucklehead is just as likely to injure you with a motor vehicle, yet we let him have one to do with as he pleases, after a very minimal amount of training.

    Laws should punish those who infringe on the rights of other citizens - not try to prevent every possible bad thing imaginable from happening. That is too subjective and requires someone to make a judgment he is likely not qualified to make, about the competency of others. It is already illegal to injure another person, whether accidentally or not, whether with a gun, or not, so let's just do a better job of prosecuting that, and let the subsequent 'deterrent effect' take care of the 'what if' part of the equation.

    We don't need to further empower government in that regard, so that they can appoint more incompetent bureaucrats who will beat us over the head with nit-picking regulations that have already been covered with other laws.

    Welcome to the forum, and congratulations for taking the responsibility to look after your own welfare. You will likely become more independent and less tolerant of government meddling, as you get more and more comfortable with protecting your own interests. If so, you will be a free-er man than you used to be.

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    Thanks guys, I appreciate the warm welcome. Bisley, I completely understand where you are coming from. I won't argue with you, the 2nd is what it is, and there is no going back now - the genies out of the bottle so to speak. IMHO, I don't think having to pass a simple test on the basic safety rules in order to get a gun, or permit for that matter, would be a bad thing. I suppose the argument to that would be the people who need it most probably already have guns, and probably aren't smart enough or even care to understand the rules to begin with. Which is what brought me here in the 1st place.

    In the spirit of the original thread, I am taking responsibility for my own actions and am taking the proper training courses. In the end, personal responsibility is what it's all about anyway I guess...

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    +1 again jklotz

    Your going to be a good addition to this forum.


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    Personally I don't carry a gun, why? I am only 19 and I am unable to do so. However, even though I personally don't carry I still see it as a huge responsibility for those who DO carry. Yes it is our right as Americans, thanks God, yes I think we should be allowed to. But that doesn't mean anyone and everyone. I know a lot of people who are old to carry, but if I knew they were, I wouldn't be too comfortable being around them. That said, it isn't my business whether or not they are carrying. I agree that it the carriers responsibility to take the necessary steps to be able to carry RESPONSIBLY.

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