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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatos View Post
    Hmm....at least he said a kick and not a shot from the Hi Point lol
    At least the kick would be for sure. I still wouldn't stand in front of either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosborn View Post
    At least the kick would be for sure. I still wouldn't stand in front of either.
    Heh..Yeah..?you got about a 50-50 chance of the thing even firing..then who knows where that tumbling round is gonna fly to.

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    I know most people will HATE me for this but I have owned two a 9mm compact and my current 45 auto both shot well no problems ever! I shoot better than some people with "better" guns can, gun will shoot where I aim every time!

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    I'm going to dissent in this post.

    Hi-Point's are worth the money. For $150 your getting a pistol and a lifetime, no questions warranty. I've spoken with owners at the ranges around KC, some of them are the second or third owner of a Hi-Point pistol. If anything, ANYTHING goes wrong, no matter if you have the paperwork or not, you can send it to Hi-Point and they'll fix it. If it can't be fixed, they'll give you a new one right off the assembly line.

    Yes, they're ugly. Yes, they aren't very accurate past 10 yards. Yes, they feel like a brick. Yes, non-factory magazines can cause problems. But they shoot, they're cheap, and Hi-Point will fix anything that goes wrong.

    In person I've never met a Hi-Point owner who didn't like it. Once they get over the "It's not a (CZ, Beretta, Glock, etc)", people really seem to enjoy them.

    That being said, you'd have to be nuts if this was a conceal carry pistol for you. What holster would fit it? For defense, they're are much better options for only $50 more (CZ-82's, used Bersa's, etc). And trusting your life to one??? Maybe, but you'd better be certain beforehand your in-particular firearm is problem-free. If not, Hi-Point will fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerhead6814 View Post
    And trusting your life to one??? Maybe, but you'd better.........

    ... have an arm like Nolan Ryan.

    I just can't see placing "maybe" in an answer to that question.

    This could go on and on. People that don't have the same love or in my case, passion for the mechanics, quality and tradition may be fine with a Hi-Point. The service sounds top notch but I don't want the problems. Heck, I feel guilty owning a Taurus, but it has never failed me in any way. The extra $75-$100 is worth it to me for a reliable firearm that I can take to the range, come home and clean, then still be ready for more.

    I may be opening another can of worms here too. The firearms in this price range usually end up in the hands of criminals. Why help fund companies that make guns that even the lowest folk can get (I am in no way saying that because you buy a Hi-Point you are scum). Davis, Jennings and Lorcin are a few that come to mind. Just can't be cheap (especially on quality) when buying a gun.


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    Would you guys buy a cheap parachute that came with a lifetime warranty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnclark7886 View Post
    There are a couple of guys in our area selling Hi Points handguns from 130 to 150 for 9mm and .40 cal. Is it worth that kind of $ or is it really a bad idea. I would also like to get one of their carbines and was just wondering if the handguns hold up or if they're garbage and stay away at all costs.
    I have owned the 40SW, 9mm pistols and the 9mm carbine.
    Right out of the box the 40SW model (could never remember what it is called) worked fine. Well with one exception. The mag spring was very tight. I had to load the mags up with 8 rounds and let them sit for two weeks, remove all the rounds load 9 rounds, another two weeks and the same with ten rounds. Never had any operational problems with this pistol, reason I sold it was because I wanted the smaller C9 model. Smaller pistol and cheaper ammo. That pistol had the brake in period shooting part. First 100 rounds were fine. Next 150 rounds it was jamming up once ever mag fired, after 250 rounds I never had a problem with it. Reason I sold it was I don't much like single stack pistols. I have only two left. My Springfield 1911 and my Browning Buckmark. The 995 was bought used and with it I never had problems.
    My opinion is HPs are fine guns provided you are willing to work with them through their brake in period which is up to 500 rounds. If all bugs and kinks are not ironed out by 500 rounds you need to send it in to HP for a looking over.
    Once through the Brake in period they are good as gold if you like heavy ugly guns that hold 10 rounds or less.
    And don't be fooled, they are heavy, and ugly and the low round count ended up being an issue for me. But out of the three guns I owned. I never had a problem beyond the normal brake in, and after that, I never had a problem period.

    I rate HiPoints higher than Taurus. And that rate is from personal experience. I have had brand new Taurus pistols brake before I ever fired a round through it and another drop frame screws while I was shooting it at the range. Both guns were at the factory for 5 week each so that was 10 weeks total 50.00 to ship and insure each so that was 100.00 between the two and I lost money when I sold them cause I no longer trusted either gun.
    Out of three HiPoints I never had one brake or start dropping screws or other parts at any time.
    Would I trust HPs with my life. Yep. Am I nuts? Maybe. But these guns never gave me reason to not trust them once they were through the brake in.

    Also. Some will say. Guns should not have brake in periods.
    I say WRONG!!
    All guns should have a minimum of a 500 round BIP. No gun should be trusted with your life until they have gone through at least 500 rounds with out ANY issues. No FTFs, FTE, jams of any kind, random mag drops.
    Most guns do not experience these problems and that is great. But all should be treated with the same BIP to ensure reliability.

    Just my two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1911 View Post
    I rate HiPoints higher than Taurus.

    Hope you have a flame suit.

    Tuarus isn't the best but there is no comparison to Hi-Point IMO.

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    I've said it before, I'll say it again...

    Anything that has a lifetime warranty probably needs it.

    I'd rather buy a pistol that doesn't need a warranty because time has tested them, reputation has preceded them, and one that I haven't personally seen disassemble itself during firing (some yahoo's at the range who was praising the Hi-Point and basically calling me an idiot for spending so much on my gun)

    I think the main reason some people buy Hi-Points is because they have an insatiable need for instant gratification. Whereas, if they'd wait a few weeks, save up a tad bit more, they could have a quality firearm that wouldn't need a lifetime warranty. Most of the time, they're the same people holding the gun "gangsta style" at the gun store and asking "Are there any 32 round magazines for this one?"

    Sorry, I'm no gun snob, but i tend to move down a few lanes when someone breaks out a Hi-Point because they obviously don't care about quality, why the hell would they care about their own safety, let alone mine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosborn View Post
    Hope you have a flame suit.

    Tuarus isn't the best but there is no comparison to Hi-Point IMO.
    Again. That is my opinion based on my personal experience with the two brands.
    Other mileage will vary. I understand that there are many that like their Taurus guns and have had nothing but great experiences with them.
    But I am not one of those people. I bought two pistols and both were pieces of crap and I lost hundreds of dollars in the shipping and resale of them.
    I had no such problems with my HiPoints and that personal experience and loss of money is what guides my opinion.
    If others wish to flame me over my post. Fine.
    But before they do so, maybe they could pay me for all the money I lost on those two Taurus guns, and then I might think they had a leg to stand on in telling me how wrong I am in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1911 View Post
    Again. That is my opinion based on my personal experience with the two brands.
    Other mileage will vary. I understand that there are many that like their Taurus guns and have had nothing but great experiences with them.
    But I am not one of those people. I bought two pistols and both were pieces of crap and I lost hundreds of dollars in the shipping and resale of them.
    I had no such problems with my HiPoints and that personal experience and loss of money is what guides my opinion.
    If others wish to flame me over my post. Fine.
    But before they do so, maybe they could pay me for all the money I lost on those two Taurus guns, and then I might think they had a leg to stand on in telling me how wrong I am in my opinion.
    I respect your opinion and I was just poking fun with the flame suit. The flaming is very mild here, until James NM shows up.

    I guess there are good guns from every manufacturer, but in the long run, I think you get what you pay for. They sell em cheap because they make em cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhurdan View Post
    I've said it before, I'll say it again...

    Anything that has a lifetime warranty probably needs it.

    I'd rather buy a pistol that doesn't need a warranty because time has tested them, reputation has preceded them, and one that I haven't personally seen disassemble itself during firing
    Just commenting on your post. Not trying to argue. Just want to get that out first.
    Why shouldn't all guns have a life time warranty. I know I would feel much better about my purchases if I thought that what ever company made my pistol stood behind it for the life of the gun rather than a year. And considering that I have spent over a grand on a single gun and that gun did not have life time coverage. I think it is good that some gun manufacturers do stand behind their product with such a warranty, While you have seen a HP come apart in use. I have not. And I am not doubting you at all here. But I on the other hand have had a gun start disassembling it self in my own hands and it weren't no HiPoint.


    (some yahoo's at the range who was praising the Hi-Point and basically calling me an idiot for spending so much on my gun)

    Sadly many people do that, I have had HPs and I have had Kimbers and currently have a Custom Shop Springfield 1911. Most of my pistols and revolver average in price around 500 to 700 dollars.
    But HPs for what I have personally seen from what I have owned are decent guns.
    Are there better. Absolutely. But there is a HUGE portion of the population of this country and I know more than I can count on my hands and toes that would be hard stretched to afford even 150.00 and that would be saving over a years time to get just 150.00.
    There is a market for them for a reason. And it is not just gang bangers that buy them.


    I think the main reason some people buy Hi-Points is because they have an insatiable need for instant gratification. Whereas, if they'd wait a few weeks, save up a tad bit more, they could have a quality firearm that wouldn't need a lifetime warranty. Most of the time, they're the same people holding the gun "gangsta style" at the gun store and asking "Are there any 32 round magazines for this one?"

    This is undoubtedly true, a huge portion of our society has been raised with the "I want it and I want it now" attitude and that is a sad thing. But again as I said above. I know many people where a few weeks would help them not, where saving for a needed gun is concerned. And as I said before, and this in just my opinion, all guns should have a life time warranty. Particularly those that cost up and at 1000.00.
    Red above. LOL ouch. While I have never seen this, I agree it would make me wonder and leave a bad opinion concerning both the person and the weapon.


    Sorry, I'm no gun snob, but i tend to move down a few lanes when someone breaks out a Hi-Point because they obviously don't care about quality, why the hell would they care about their own safety, let alone mine?

    While I have no problem with what other people shoot or buy I do know what I will or will not shoot or buy. As I said in the other post. My HPs never had issues out side of the brake in period.
    But I must admit. I do like those guns that cost a little bit more for the improved ergonomics, lower weight, and higher magazine capacities.
    Again, do not take my comments as being argumentative, they are not meant as such.
    They are merely observations or viewpoints. We have all made them and have them.
    And they are widely shared in these forums.
    So.... Cheers and have a Merry Christmas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1911 View Post
    Again, do not take my comments as being argumentative, they are not meant as such.
    They are merely observations or viewpoints. We have all made them and have them.
    And they are widely shared in these forums.
    So.... Cheers and have a Merry Christmas.
    But... but... arguing is the fun part!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhurdan View Post
    But... but... arguing is the fun part!
    I would give up too....... if I was rooting for Hi-Point.

    Freedom1911, it's all fun. We're not mad at you, just dissapointed.

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    Go for it, get a couple. I've had a 9 & a 45 and they were fun. You can probably get one for way under a $100 at a local pawn shop. It's the gun of choice around here for gang-bangers and they don't seem to have any problem cappin' each other off.

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    I don't agree with the (Bad Guys) use Hi Point guns because you would be dumb to walk into a shop to buy a gun to use in a crime!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitedogg View Post
    I don't agree with the (Bad Guys) use Hi Point guns because you would be dumb to walk into a shop to buy a gun to use in a crime!!
    Actually, they're commonly purchased by straw purchasers and are then provided to criminals / prohibited persons. Sorry, but it's true, the wife has worked in guns shops for a while and more often than not, when the cops come looking to see where a gun came from it was a Hi Point.




    This was the most recent that I can recall...

    http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/...hooting/24531/
    The teenager who drove the getaway car in the April robbery and shooting at a Campbell Avenue gas station will spend the next 10 years in prison.
    Jacob Hudson, 17, had pleaded guilty to two counts of robbery and one count of aggravated malicious wounding in July for his part in the April 16 armed robbery of the Sunshine Market on Pollard Street and the April 24 robbery of the Citgo gas station and convenience store on Campbell Avenue.
    Hudson was sentenced in Lynchburg Circuit Court on Friday by Judge Mosby Perrow to a total of 40 years in prison with 30 years of that sentence suspended. He was ordered to be on supervised probation for five years and good behavior for 10 years.
    Lynchburg Deputy Commonwealth’s Attorney Chuck Felmlee said Hudson used his take from the Sunshine Market robbery to pay for the Hi-Point .40-caliber pistol used in the Citgo shooting by Kionne Pulley, the man that prosecutors say was the mastermind of the two robberies. Neither Pulley nor Hudson is old enough to buy a handgun in Virginia.

    The man who bought the gun, Shane Alexander Meade, was sentenced on a charge of making materially false statements during the purchase of a firearm. He was sentenced to two years in prison with the entire term suspended and given 12 months of supervised probation.
    That was the gun that shot clerk Abderrahin Elfilali in the head during the Citgo robbery. Elfilali survived the shooting but suffered permanent brain damage and will never be able to live without supervision and care, Felmlee said.
    Meade apologized for what happened and told the court that he had no idea what the gun was going to be used for when he bought it for Hudson after the teenager gave him $70.
    Hudson’s uncle, Tony Hubbard, broke down on the stand while he talked about his nephew’s character.
    “He’s like a son to me,” Hubbard said. “He’s honest. There’s not a better kid on the face of the earth. When I first heard this, I thought my son would have did this before he would.”
    Felmlee said Hudson had some 54 referrals, suspensions or write ups from 2003 to 2008 while in middle school and at Heritage High School, for incidents that ranged from punching another student, to arguing, lying and being disrespectful to teachers.
    “He admitted his participation with these individuals who terrorized Lynchburg,” Felmlee said. “Those are his buddies. Those are his crowd. … He knew they were going to rob the store. He played a crucial role as the getaway driver.”
    Hudson took the stand and told the court that he was sorry for what he did.
    “I wish I could take it back,” he said. “I made the wrong decision. I was trying to be accepted and I wasn’t thinking.”
    Under cross examination, Hudson admitted that he willingly took part in the robbery and even hid the weapon in a sandbox at his house and initially lied to police until a search warrant uncovered the bloody money from the Citgo robbery and the weapon.
    Felmlee said Hudson cooperated fully with investigators after that and his confessions led to charges against the others involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dosborn View Post
    I would give up too....... if I was rooting for Hi-Point.

    Freedom1911, it's all fun. We're not mad at you, just dissapointed.
    Be what you want. If I had to pick between a brick and an HP it would be HP.
    If I had to pick between Taurus and HP it would still be HP. I had a Taurus start to disassemble it self in my hand while I was shooting it. None of the three HPs I had did this. I had a Taurus brake (brand new) before I ever put a round through it. Never had any HPs do that.
    Feel how you want. Personal experience tells me I can't trust Taurus but I can HP.

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    VAMrine, here in Springfield, MO there was a tripple murder about a month ago. The criminals had someone purchase two Hi-Points for them (can't find the link form the local news website or I would post it).

    Fredom 1911, everyone has their own opinion. I don't know what else I can tell ya. Oh yea, start a poll about who would rather carry a Hi-Point or a Taurus. The results may shock you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosborn View Post

    Fredom 1911, everyone has their own opinion. I don't know what else I can tell ya. Oh yea, start a poll about who would rather carry a Hi-Point or a Taurus. The results may shock you.

    Indeed. Not bashing you Freedom 1911, but a sample of one isn't much to go on when considering the faults of Taurus (personally, I wouldn't own one either, but that's another story), whereas the Hi-Points, generally speaking, aren't regarded highly because of their track record. Saying that all Hi-Points are reliable because you saw one that was is just as much crazy talk as saying all Taurus' are unreliable because you saw one that was unreliable. It's that whole sample of one thing. (not implying you're crazy... are you?)

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