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    - Good response James. Some people take things Waaaaay to serious. Now if I find that you WERE serious, I might have to turn "GULP" Liberal???

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    Quote Originally Posted by James NM View Post



    Highline:

    Don't be such a pinhead.

    Idiotic posts such as yours only confirm that most liberals hold themselves and their opinions in higher regard than anyone else does. Only a pinhead liberal would call my post an "idle threat", or suggest that I advocate "shooting other humans because of their political views". Talk about "childish".

    In true liberal fashion, I see you whole heartedly support free speech - as long as it is speech you agree with.

    On a side note, I surmised that you are not a member of Congress. You took offense at my liberal comment (a group you are obviously a member of) but didn't mention my comment about Congress (a group you are obviously not a member of). Why the double standard? Are YOU saying it's ok to target Congress?
    I take every bit as much exception to the Congress comment, but responded specifically to the first statement because that's the one that was condoned by the moderator, and the first one I read. I have known a lot of non-liberal gun enthusiasts over the years who would take exception as well because they get tired of the tarnished view by the left because of comments like yours. Free speech would imply that I am entitled to my opinion too, eh?

    To put this in perspective, suppose you had chosen another segment of the population, how does it read? As I said, I frequent other forums a lot because I have other interests such as mountain biking and backckountry skiing. Gun talk comes up often on those forums, however the level of professionalism seems to be a notch higher than what I have seen on most of the gun specific forums. Like it or not, you are reinforcing an unflattering stereotype that is common, even as viewed among some other responsible gun enthusiasts. If you want to choose to ignore that, it's your choice. But it does make a difference in the big picture in my opinion.

    I have seen some really good informative posts on this forum and others. Unfortunately, I have seen some redneck yeehawin' as well, but this forum seemed to have a little less of that, so I joined. I have spent 40 plus years in the outdoors and grew up with guns and hunting as a way of life. I ate much more wild game and fish than store bought meat as a kid. I knew a lot of irresponsible gun owners then and I know a few now. It's unfortunate that forums like these can't seem to elevate themselves above the former in many instances because you could gain a lot more ground in the political arena in my opinion.

    Okay, back to shooting stuff. I don't know but I would like to try some melons. Anyone shoot melons?

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    Highline;
    I consider myself to be a social liberal (note the lower-case "L"), although I am a fiscal and political conservative (note the lower-case "C"). I am also relatively well-educated.
    Regardless of my political and social leanings, I think that your complaint is unjustified. I believe that it was obvious to just about everybody that James's reference to using politicians as targets was a wry social comment, and not a threat against anybody. I think that you're overreacting to non-PC humor.
    Now, here's my own reaction to your Politically Correct reaction: Please remember that the First Amendment to the US Constitution guarantees James's right to make any sort of comment he pleases, whether or not it displeases you, or even if it deeply offends your sensibilities.
    Rather than publicly censure James for having a viewpoint different from yours, you might instead have sat back and made a mental note that James's mode of humor does not agree with your own. Then, knowing that, you might've resolved never to correspond with James. Or you may have decided to merely "wait and see" what sort of person James really is, beyond his visible non-PC, wry humor, and then to proceed from that point.
    Instead, you have censured him in general, based upon only one of his posts here. Further, you have raised his ire with your preëmptive censorship, thus cutting off any possibility of civil discourse with him.
    Do you really believe that this was a good, mature thing to have done?
    I don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    Highline;
    I consider myself to be a social liberal (note the lower-case "L"), although I am a fiscal and political conservative (note the lower-case "C"). I am also relatively well-educated.
    Regardless of my political and social leanings, I think that your complaint is unjustified. I believe that it was obvious to just about everybody that James's reference to using politicians as targets was a wry social comment, and not a threat against anybody. I think that you're overreacting to non-PC humor.
    Now, here's my own reaction to your Politically Correct reaction: Please remember that the First Amendment to the US Constitution guarantees James's right to make any sort of comment he pleases, whether or not it displeases you, or even if it deeply offends your sensibilities.
    Rather than publicly censure James for having a viewpoint different from yours, you might instead have sat back and made a mental note that James's mode of humor does not agree with your own. Then, knowing that, you might've resolved never to correspond with James. Or you may have decided to merely "wait and see" what sort of person James really is, beyond his visible non-PC, wry humor, and then to proceed from that point.
    Instead, you have censured him in general, based upon only one of his posts here. Further, you have raised his ire with your preëmptive censorship, thus cutting off any possibility of civil discourse with him.
    Do you really believe that this was a good, mature thing to have done?
    I don't.
    A wry social comment, not a true threat. Yes, I concur and used a poor choice of words with my first post. It's not that I think he was actually serious, but I still think it's comments like these that undermine the politcal strength of arguing against gun control. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. I still find it offensive and the First Amendment also allows me to say as much. As far as one post, it was two, plus a third by the moderator. Thats 3 out of 16 posts in this thread, prior to my post that represented an attitude that I felt I needed to comment on. Maybe wrong, maybe right, but that's how it went down and I don't regret voicing my opinion.

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    Come on Highline. This is no place for reason.

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    Straight from the Forum Guidelines. You can't talk about zombies, or fighting your way through disaster or revolution here because it will make us seem like gun-toting nut jobs to any of the unenlightened who might be reading along. And you better make sure you hold your gun right side up and not sideways. Advocating the assassination of elected officials is ok though - as long as you're just kidding.

    And liberals are welcome here too.... as long as they know their place. Kind of like Mississippi or Alabama during the 50's.



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    I think that's enough...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev74 View Post
    ... Advocating the assassination of elected officials is ok though - as long as you're just kidding.

    And liberals are welcome here too.... as long as they know their place. Kind of like Mississippi or Alabama during the 50's.
    Speaking of liberals ......... Hheeeerre's Kev.

    You guys and your political correctness .

    So both of you geniuses (Highline & kev) think I'm advocating shooting liberals because of their political views and assassinating elected officials? What in God's name (emphasis added) is wrong with you people? (I hope I didn't offend anyone ...... say liberals ......by mentioning God). So when did the asylum give you guys internet access?

    Here's a true story:
    Yesterday I attended a small town hall meeting with my US Senator, Tom Udall. Senator Udall is a Democrat who, for the most part, supports Obama and definitely supports Obamacare. In addition, there were also a few liberals scattered out in the small gathering. I have a CC permit, shook hands with the Senator and at least one liberal, and it never occurred to me to unholster my weapon.

    Sorry Bruce, but a response was called for. As painful as it may be for some, a bit of reality is sometimes called for.

    As far as what's fun to shoot at, I like iron. You can get metal spinners and targets at most major sporting good retailers or online at places such as Midway. You can also make your own or have some cut for you at welding shops. They are a one time investment in a lifetime of shooting fun.

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