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So what is truly the best OVERALL (performance,size,capacity,weight,reliability) 45 (sub)/compact Auto Pistol available?
G30 (includes SF )
G36
M&P 45 Compact
HK 45C
SIG P220 compact
Taurus PT145
Springfield XD 45 compact
SIG P250 (too early to say but I'll throw it in as an assumption to SIG's quality)
Any 1911 compact
Beretta Cougar
Kahr P45
Other
Based on your criteria the only gun that fights every single category is the Glock 30SF. Mind you, I don't care for Glock guns at all. They don't fit my hand and don't point well and the triggers suck. The G30 is really the only true high capacity compact 45 ACP.
There is the Kahr P45 but it is a single stack and not quite as reliable than the Glock.
I don't trust Taurus and thier factory service sucks.
The Sig, M&P, XD,H&K really aren't all that compact. Not compared to the G30 anyway.
Don't know much about the Cougar but I do not like DA/SA guns anyway.
Personally I like the M&P 45 Compact. But the G30 is smaller. I have 2 other M&P guns and they are excellent.
Kimber Ultra carry II looks like a sweet CCW
I haven't shot one but the ones i have seen up close and personal look like they would be everything you would want in a CCW in 45
YMMV
john
My UCII isn't the best compact .45acp out there, but it's my favorite one.....Quote:
Originally Posted by johnr
the only one ive shot out of them all is a sig p220 and i loved every second of it
I carry an XD 45C during cold weather months. Easy carry with ten round mags. You can get the 13 round mags to fit it also. Price is actually on the low end and very reputable service with SA.
HK usp compact, i have one in a 357sig cal. It is loaded with features I consider a must have in a good carry gun. Plus its single/double action with a great trigger.
The Kimber Ultra CDP with Speer 200gr Gold Dots is a awesome package. In 1,500rds it has never failed. Everything from lswc's to all kinds of defensive ammo has been tried with Speer's being the most accurate. YMMV..:smt1099
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Beautiful and deadly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Baldy
It's my wife's favorite, and very deadly when in her hand. :smt033
The Kahr P45, most reliable-very compact. :smt023
For my money Kimber Ultra II with Crimson Trace grips fill that bill.
Good trigger, manageable recoil, good sites, deadly accurate with the laser, very compact and slim,
8 shots should be enough when it hits where it aims. If not drop another clip in and start over.
gunr
Kimber Ultra... like the one I have on layaway!!
Usually I am not a big Schwartz safety and MIM fan... but I wanted a light and compact .45 1911... so I folded under pressure. Hopefully I'll be picking it up Monday :mrgreen:
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I had a Kimber Ultra Carry II, and it was a fine pistol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ka-chow
CS45....
Jesse
the glock 36
compared to the 1911 3" barrels it is cheaper, very reliable, lighter, longer barrel and smaller in dimensions by a bit in length, width, and height
No one "Best". Depends upon what fits your hand and points naturally along with reliability and caliber.
Glock 19, Kimber Pro Raptor II, Glock 23, Glock 26, Glock 27. All are reliable, easy to conceal with a good holster and combat accurate. I prefer the lower bore axis so, the H&K and SA XD don't make my list. Haven't tried Sigs in compact (I don't call a P226 or P220 compacts).
Have you looked at the Para Night Hawg series. It's a double stack 1911 that's pretty damn small and holds ten rounds. I haven't shot it, but I was looking at one yesterday in a local shop, pretty cool little gun, feels solid and fairly comfortable.
My vote goes for the Beretta Cougar. I am a big fan of 1911s but they got to have a 5" barrel IMO.
From your list I have the Taurus PT145 and like it.
From your list I dont' have but one day want the Glock 30 (not the SF)
NOT on your list I have S&W's CS45 - it's a GREAT shooter but only 6+1: http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...-1&isFirearm=Y
I like my Springfield Ultra 45. It has never jammed with whatever I have run through it.
1 Detonics Combat Master
2 Kimber Ultra CDP II
3Colt Officers Model/ New Agent
glock 36
thin, shortest length even with a longer barrell
best price
I very much like both my M&P c 45 and my XD c 45. They have been utterly reliable and are very accurate. The M&P is slightly smaller and carries less rounds, but it fits my hand better. That said, because I have to put up with the Georgia heat, I find both to be hard to carry comfortably for half the year. In the summer I carry a PM45, which has also performed perfectly, and is accurate and easy to shoot for such a small gun. It lacks capacity, but is so small, it's easy to find room for a spare mag.
Para WartHog...shoots great, small enough for CC. Right purdy, too.