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    Quote Originally Posted by nailer View Post
    Is there a light load for the 40 that doesn't compromise its power and effectiveness, but lessens the recoil? I heard somewhere about a 115g or 124g. Is there something like this available? I've been told this would make the 40 shoot like a 9mm, but hit like a 40!
    Have you actually fired a .40 yet? I think that it is a great all around caliber.

    One thing to consider, 9mm is cheaper to shoot. If you are going to start shooting on a regular basis, the price of the ammo might help steer you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nailer View Post
    I visited my lgs today. I held and examined what they had and the store had many. The one that was most comfortable was the Sig 250 compact. For a so-called compact, it is over 7 inches long. The grip was good and the slide racked easily. This model was a 40. I also handled a 229 and blackwater model. The Glock 26 also felt good. This will be my range gun and home defense gun. The store has no 9mm, or 380 ammo. It does have 40 and 45.The Glock 26 is $499 and the Sig( with night sites), $559. I was told the Sig is really hard to get these days. I will think about over the weekend, but I definitely like that Sig 250!
    What did you end up getting?

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    Just buy the gun that you like, along with very good ear protection and lots of ammo, and start shooting it.

    You can easily get used to any non-magnum caliber by concentrating on making the bullet go where you aim...not trying to measure recoil. Once you learn trigger control and sight picture, your concentration on holding your 'platform' stationary while easing back on the trigger should occupy all your senses, making recoil more or less an insignificant side issue.

    Here's a method that works pretty well for new shooters:

    Start out shooting up close, from a rested position, and concentrate on keeping both eyes open and not blinking or jerking. It's natural to flinch, and you have to de-sensitize yourself to it by willing yourself to keep the sight picture on the bullseye as your trigger finger moves smoothly through its motion. When you can fire without moving anything but the trigger finger, and still be staring at the bullseye, after recoil, then you can stand up and shoot at more distant targets. You may have to do this several times, if you don't get to practice a lot, but it is a good way to make yourself slow down and pay attention to fundamentals.

    Personally, I don't bother with .40's, because similar ballistics can be achieved with 9mm or .45 ACP, both of which have been around for ~100 years and have been kept up to date with modern technologies.

    But, there is nothing wrong with the .40 S&W, so if that's what the gun is that you like, just buy it and get used to it.

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    if you can find any ammo...buy that cal. handgun

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    Quote Originally Posted by literaltrance View Post
    Double-check the Sig to make sure you're getting tritium Siglite nightsights and not the glow in the dark photo luminescent crap. There have been reports on this site alone where buyers of new Sig P250s did NOT get tritium sights.
    I got those make believe night sights on my HK45C. Love the gun hate the sights.

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    Newbie comments.
    I was talking with a guy whom I got my 229 40 165/fmj ( sw ammo)

    he said the recoil was less then his 357 or 45.
    I read all over conflicting reports.

    Example, ( please correct me if I am wrong but heres my take)

    I have a nice Savage Mark11 22LR 10 clip with bolt action. solid black.
    My father in law has the exact gun but in a 1.17 model.
    His has a tad amount of recoil and is louder with the same basic grain ammo.
    I realize why that may happen more grain out of a smaller barrel creates more velocity hence more
    power at the end. However this is my point even the smallest variation can be different.

    I have heard ppl say a p229 40 with 165/fmj has average recoil
    some say its fine and recoil isn't really a consideration.

    I think allot of what a gun / rifle feels like is subjective to the person pulling the trigger.
    Try them out see what you like.

    40 sounds cooler then 9mm LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybertoad View Post
    Newbie comments.
    I was talking with a guy whom I got my 229 40 165/fmj ( sw ammo)

    he said the recoil was less then his 357 or 45.
    I read all over conflicting reports.

    Example, ( please correct me if I am wrong but heres my take)

    I have a nice Savage Mark11 22LR 10 clip with bolt action. solid black.
    My father in law has the exact gun but in a 1.17 model.
    His has a tad amount of recoil and is louder with the same basic grain ammo.
    I realize why that may happen more grain out of a smaller barrel creates more velocity hence more
    power at the end. However this is my point even the smallest variation can be different.

    I have heard ppl say a p229 40 with 165/fmj has average recoil
    some say its fine and recoil isn't really a consideration.

    I think allot of what a gun / rifle feels like is subjective to the person pulling the trigger.
    Try them out see what you like.

    40 sounds cooler then 9mm LOL
    It is different for all people. The .40 round in most weapons is a little more snappy than a 9mm but for me in something like my P229 Sig it's not any bog deal. It's not a big deal in my Para P16. It is more noticeable in my Browning Pro 40 but it's a poly framed weapon. I has less weight. Still though I like the round and shoot it pretty regularly. For most people I say check it out. You might like it. If recoil is a big issue in your handgun buying mind then you might want to get a 9mm.

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    I have also shot the 229, last weekend actually, and I didn't think the difference in recoil was much different than a 9mm. I personally chose to get a 9mm because it is cheaper to shoot, and I plan on doing a lot of that....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsJohnson View Post
    It is different for all people. The .40 round in most weapons is a little more snappy than a 9mm but for me in something like my P229 Sig it's not any bog deal. It's not a big deal in my Para P16. It is more noticeable in my Browning Pro 40 but it's a poly framed weapon. I has less weight. Still though I like the round and shoot it pretty regularly. For most people I say check it out. You might like it. If recoil is a big issue in your handgun buying mind then you might want to get a 9mm.
    Devil's right: it depends on the shooter. I think it also depends on the gun. Shooting 40S&W from a P226 is quite different than shooting it from a G27. Apples and oranges some say, but there is a difference.

    The 40S&W has a bad rep in my house.. When I decided to get into handgun ownership, I purchased a Glock 22 and shot 100-200 rounds a week. It didn't take long for a bone spur to form in my main-hand thumb (grip thumb). After some serious pain and thought, I started shooting some friends' handguns as well as some range-rented ones and quickly realized both 9mm and 45ACP calibers are more forgiving on the hands. Later I did some research and found out the 40S&W had the highest pressures of all three. This was all I needed to explain the bone spur and the pain (also due to lots of shooting, of course... I can't blame it all on the caliber).

    I think most people who claim they don't feel the difference between 40S&W and 45ACP just don't shoot enough of these rounds to notice. At the same time, the differences between 9mm/40S&W/45ACP are pretty small in the grand scheme of things, and all serve their intended purpose regardless of their minor differences.

    If your range time is only once a month or so, and you're going to shoot less than 200 rounds per trip, you probably won't notice much of a difference. If you plan on shooting more than that, you probably will notice more of a difference, and so will your wallet. Bad guys won't be able to tell the difference if you do your part.

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    You're exactly right. THe weapon makes a huge difference. The 40 round in my P16 is no big deal at all. But it's a double stacked 1911 type thing. All steel frame. The same rounds in my Browning Pro 40 are more easily felt but it is a poly frame and has a hammer so the dreaded higher bore axis comes into play. So you not only have the person as a variable but the weapon type that the persona is holding. What they perceive as a lot of recoil combined with the actual felt recoil due to size and weight of the weapon.

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