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    Quote Originally Posted by Growler67 View Post
    Eventually time may convince owners more one way or another regarding their trust of it, but that isn't going to happen over night.
    I think this statement is very VERY important. Gathering information is great, but nothing replaces hands on experience and familiarity over time.

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    I think that I need to clear something up. I'm not purchasing ANYTHING just because it is "popular". I simply wanted to know what the most popular caliber carry handgun is. I might buy a .22 and I might buy a DE .50, but no one person here is going to convince me of what to buy. I'm simply trying to use as many sources available to me as possible to try and make my decision. As far as renting a pistol, that would be nice if that service was available in my area, but since it's not I'm checking every other source that I can find. I'm using what information is available to make an intelligent decision. Again, thanks to everyone for their replies.

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    Personally, I carry the largest gun I can comfortably conceal, that I shoot well. My first choice is an XD45. That's fourteen 230 grain rounds of hollow point ammo that, under controlled practice conditions, I shoot very well. But, I can't often carry it, so I compromise with a compact 9mm much of the time, and settle for a .380 in the pocket, way too often.

    A 9mm with modern SD ammo is sufficient in about any normal SD circumstance, if you can hit where you aim. But a .380 may not be, under some circumstances, and more often than not is in a platform that makes it very difficult to place shots accurately and quickly, beyond a few feet. With hollow point ammo, it fails the 12" of penetration test, in ballistic gel, that was established as a benchmark by the FBI for SD guns. There are some great expanding bullets that can make a very nasty wound, about 9" deep. But who knows what will stop a drug-zombie? You can load it with FMJ, and hope to hit the spine or pelvic bone, and that may give you the opportunity to escape.

    So, if you really do need to feel confident that you can stop almost any bad guy, doped up, big and fat, wearing a leather coat, turned sideways, or whatever, you probably should have at least a high capacity 9mm, and be able to shoot it.

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    Both the 40 and 9mm make for good carry rounds (you listed earlier). 9mm ammo is cheaper and actually is one of the older pistol rounds out there. It's passed the test of time is what I'm trying to say. The .40 round is a little snappier than the 9mm so in smaller weapons that will be magnified. If I was to decide on a carry weapon and it was between those two I'd lean to the 9mm. It's accurate, it will make bad things fall down. and if needed the follow up shot is a little easier for most shooters.

    I personally like a 45. It's recoil is not like the snap of a 40. It kind of..pushes rather than snaps back. But a 45 is not for everyone. Many of the CCW holders I am around if using a compact weapon seem to drift to a 9mm or a 45 being the recoil is more manageable. I do have a Sig Sauer P229 that is a 40 that carries and shoots very well but I would not call the 229 a compact weapon. It is not full sized..It's kind of that middle ground, like a commander length 1911 would be.

    So if a compact weapon is your flavor you might want to veer away from a 40 and go with a 9mm. But if it is that middle ground you are looking for then any of those three calibers will work fine. It's more a what gun you want to use before caliber becomes a big issue. Any round will get the job done if you're doing your part. It's what round you can work with when you narrow the weapon down. Smaller the weapon the lighter it is and the more you will feel recoil. T

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    Quote Originally Posted by biohazurd View Post
    Well for my Main CCW I personally would not shoot anything under 9mm for Auto, 38 Special for revolver.
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeb21 View Post
    I agree.
    I agree as well.

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    Gentlemen, that is exactly the kind of information that I was looking for, thank you! I'll keep your information under advisement.

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    I agree with Devils J...I prefer an XD 45 for EDC, but, southeast Tx weather is not always conducive to wearing clothing to cover it properly. In the summers, I changed to carrying a compact 9mm and feel just as safe with the 9 as the 45 for defensive purposes. Also have a Ruger LCP that I carry when I have to leave the 9mm at home. The LCP is more of a BUG though and not used often at all for primary protection. Just my .02.

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    Nice thing about the choices out there today in the different models, you can pick and choose among about any of the big auto rounds in any size gun down to the little subcompacts... Walther PPS .40 comes to mind. Even sub-compact .45's out there from several companies. But with all that choice, I agree, it does make it a little confusing when you've got three identical guns staring at you in the case, all in different calibers.. What to do??!?! ...carry at least one of 'em and be proficient with whichever you carry.

    Darn.. Couldn't find a little "dead horse" smiley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babs View Post
    Darn.. Couldn't find a little "dead horse" smiley.
    Here you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babs View Post
    ...carry at least one of 'em and be proficient with whichever you carry.
    +1...

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    Quote Originally Posted by babs View Post
    Darn.. Couldn't find a little "dead horse" smiley.
    ....a few more for you to choose from............






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    Quote Originally Posted by zhurdan View Post
    Not picking here, but just a bit of my crazy logic for your consumption. If you are concerned that a moving target is going to be hard to hit, wouldn't you want more chances to hit it? (aka larger magazine capacity) A 9mm gives you that in most cases. Personally, I carry a .45 or .357Sig, depending on the situation (clothing).

    If you are concerned about shooting at things that are moving, try this. Tie a balloon or two to a 4-5' tall stake in front of a good backstop with about 3' or string. On a signal, draw and fire one well aimed shot. It helps in tracking moving targets (wind cooperating of course). It's a fun excersize.

    Zhur
    All I can say is this, you weren't there and you didn't see what I saw. And yes it is fun to do those neat little drills but this goober had not read the book of rules. Nothing he did was normal including the dancing and the talking to God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NRA.Hog View Post
    All I can say is this, you weren't there and you didn't see what I saw. And yes it is fun to do those neat little drills but this goober had not read the book of rules. Nothing he did was normal including the dancing and the talking to God.
    Still looking for where I said I was there and saw what you saw....

    I was simply pointing out that in the event someone is moving erratically, and it is required to shoot them, it might be beneficial to have more rounds available before having to reload. (that's why I said "Not picking here")

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    PS... What part of Wyoming are you from?

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    I carry a 16+1 9mm and went for the hi-cap 9 because of cheap 9mm ammo. A 14+1 40 would have been a better choice for self defense. After two, three hundred FMJ's and a few mags of your favorite JHP's you're set. The ammo cost should not have been a factor in my decision. Just my two cents.

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    I actually found a very interesting article about this just the other night. The article is written by an fbi agent and talks about caliber, shot placement, and wound track. It's quite a long read, but informative imho.

    http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf

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    I personally wouldn't go any smaller then a .38 or 9mm

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    Talking Is it just for carry or will it be for home protection too?

    If it is just for carry only, I definitely understand the accuracy in placement.
    But I also want the stopping power.

    If it is also going to be the handgun, I grab to defend my home. I don't necessarily want to have to patch the side of the house, because my cannon's bullet went through the wall.

    I really have appreciated the question and the replies
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    Personally I have a beretta px4 storm 40 s/w

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    Well......

    Shot placement is certainly important but the caliber used can make that placement more critical.

    There are only a few reasons for someone to immediately fall when hit. Each of those reasons are very small in size.

    As a very well know gunner once said, "If a man does not fall when you shoot him, it could well be said that he is not impressed with your caliber of choice."

    It is also true that .22 bullets have killed more people than any other caliber but that is due to the sheer numbers of them out there.

    I have also seen a 6' 210 pound man take 13 hits from 9mm police sidearms before he finally fell.

    I have never seen anyone hit by a .45 or .357 remain standing after being hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NRA.Hog View Post
    Let me start with a story and then I will answer your question. Three weeks ago I was in a situation where I had to pull my gun along with one other guy. The guy causing the problem had a bat, weighed about 320 lbs, and was moving in every direction at once chasing his wife.
    I know everyone says it's all about shot placement and for them it is fine, but as far as me I was just thinking I hope I can hit this guy somewhere if he doesn't stop.
    It was at that point I was really doubtful if my 9mm would stop him so I decided that from now own I would carry nothing less than the biggest stick I could in hopes that it does have stunning and stopping power. For me that is a 45.

    Since then I have also started practicing drawing and I hit the range at least once a week. And I hate to say it but everyone needs to be in a real situation at least once to show them their weak spots.
    Based on what evidence? Not conjecture. Evidence.

    If I'm facing a guy with a bat, I assume I'll have to hit him MANY times, unless I get lucky with a spinal hit. No matter what gun I'm carrying. I can get more accurate hits in with my 9mm M&P Compact than I can with any 45. And with my extended mag, I have 18 chances to make a spine shot...

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