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    Accuracy with different guns

    I own a Beretta Cougar .45 that was my first pistol. I got a used one, but in good shape. When I was at the range trying the different guns, prior to making the initial purchase, the Baretta was more accurate than any of the other guns I shot (the range lets you shoot various different guns for one fee).
    I have since purchased a H&K HK45 and have found that I can punch out the center of my targets at 7 ft and at the next line which I think is 15 ft without any difficulty with the H&K but with the Baretta I seem to be all around the center of the target but not in the center like I am with the H&K. I have tried the Baretta Cougar that I initially shot the range and had the same result.

    I do understand that the Baretta is a little shorter which can effect accuracy. I have tried alternating the guns with 5 shots in each, using the same stance, the same relative grip and pressure and the same ammo but still I am not as accurate, by a long shot (pun intended) with the Baretta.

    Any thoughts/suggestions??

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    Is the weight of the triggers different between the two guns? It could be that one requires more pressure and your finger is either too far in or too far out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markott View Post
    Any thoughts/suggestions??

    Sure. They are two different pistols from two different makers. There is no reason why they should do anything the same, so it would be highly unlikely that accuracy would be the same in yours - or anyone else's - hands. Also, it is highly unlikely that you will handle two very different hanguns in the same exact manner. To expect accuracy to be the same between the two pistols would be unreasonable, especially when comparing pistols that are not in the same class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markott View Post
    I own a Beretta Cougar .45 that was my first pistol. I got a used one, but in good shape. When I was at the range trying the different guns, prior to making the initial purchase, the Baretta was more accurate than any of the other guns I shot (the range lets you shoot various different guns for one fee).
    I have since purchased a H&K HK45 and have found that I can punch out the center of my targets at 7 ft and at the next line which I think is 15 ft without any difficulty with the H&K but with the Baretta I seem to be all around the center of the target but not in the center like I am with the H&K. I have tried the Baretta Cougar that I initially shot the range and had the same result.

    I do understand that the Baretta is a little shorter which can effect accuracy. I have tried alternating the guns with 5 shots in each, using the same stance, the same relative grip and pressure and the same ammo but still I am not as accurate, by a long shot (pun intended) with the Baretta.

    Any thoughts/suggestions??
    Nice, I envy your latest acquirement!

    At that range, a shorter barrel is not going to make much of a difference in accuracy. What will make a difference, however, are any bad habits you might be exhibiting while shooting. Now a short barrel WILL amplify those bad habits, for instance, if you typically shoot left an inch with a fullsize, expect 2-3 inch results with a shorter barrel.

    I have no idea how you hold your pistol, if you flinch, if you anticipate the break (or is it brake?) when pulling the trigger, if you tend to pull the weapon to its side when pulling the trigger, etc. All I can tell you is there are a hundred things people say you should or shouldn't do. Some make lots of sense, some make absolutely no sense. Do some web searching and look for different techniques, find the ones that are comfortable to you, work for you, and stick to them. Conversely, if you find something that seems awkward, careless, or simply doesn't work for you, then forget it about it! (plenty o' dumb people on dat dem dere internets).

    If you're looking for some tips, you may want to take a look at these:

    http://www.youtube.com and search for Todd Jarrett
    -one of the best handgun shooters in the world, Todd Jarrett shoots for Para-Ordinance and has quite a few videos on youtube which cover anything from proper handgun grip, shooting stance, shooting on the move, and tips for competition shooting.

    http://www.expertvillage.com/video/2...-push-pull.htm
    -this guy may be a little difficult to follow but he does a good job of explaining how much grip and arm resistance is involved while shooting a handgun. Think of the force of each arm as opposing vectors, one pushing and one pulling, which meet in the middle of the grip.


    Honestly, your best bet to quickly rectify an accuracy problem is to shoot the smaller handgun more often. After you log some time on the smaller of the two, the fullsize will seem like a tack driver.

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    Almighty - You have a good point as the trigger pull are slightly different even in SA mode.

    Phil - Your point is well taken I guess I was under the impression that all guns should be just as (relatively) accurate and that if there was something you more well seasoned shooteres knew that I didnt I wanted to know. I am sure that I am not handling the guns in the same manner as they are pretty different in design.

    lit - Thanks. I did alot of research on the net as soon as I bought my first gun but that was only about 2 months ago. Never shot a pistol before that and I have tried hard to use proper technique but I guess your last suggestion, after I review the links you recomended, is to hit the range with the smaller one more often. That sounds like a great idea.

    The suggestions/comments are much appreciated.

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    The thing that's helped me the most was getting some snap caps and dry firing like crazy. I experimented with the amount of finger I put on the trigger until I the front sight didn't move at all when I pressed the trigger. Once I figured out where I needed it, I dry fired like that till it became second nature. Now when I put my finger on the trigger it falls right where I trained it to every time.

    Now I'm still working on learning the second gun we got. It's totally different. But I'm sure eventually It'll become second nature on that one as well.

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