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    Quote Originally Posted by Red-5 View Post
    I own a variety of calibers and my Kimber Ultra Raptor II, which is a pretty small gun has far less recoil than my Walther P99 .40. The .40 round is pretty snappy, and after shooting my usual 200 rounds, I need to give my hands a rest for a couple of days before shooting again.

    Bigger doesn't always mean better. Controlling you firearm is more important. You can defend yourself with a 9 pretty darn easily, so bigger doesn't necessarily mean better.

    Before jumping into the .40 because that is the smallest round you want to carry, try it compared to other rounds. Let you wife choose which she is most comfortable with. If she is not comfortable with a .40, she may never carry it and may not want to go to the range with you.
    That's a very good point that Red is making here. If your wife shoots the .40 and is uncomfortable with it, she may take a distatse to it and just decide not to carry it, therefore leaving her unarmed.

    I like a big caliber as stated my favorite is the .45acp, but I choose to carry an XD9 just because it's small, easily concealed, has a 16 + 1 shot capacity and fast, accurate follow-up shots are easily made. With that being said, I can shoot an attacker once with a .45 or a .40 and re-adjust to make follow up shots, and if I've aimed center-mass, they're pretty much incapacitated. But with the XD9 I can aim center mass and make 16 quick accurate shots, and the attacker is definately incapacitated.

    See my reasoning here?

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    I still dont see a big difference between the 9mm's I have shot and the .40. The .40 I believe is a better round. As far as follow up shots. With a Ruger P89 and the Ruger P94 there was only like a hundredths of a second at most between the follow ups.

    As for me I dont want ot have to shoot 16 shots for me to guarantee that they are done. I will take 2 maybe 3 at the most and guarantee the same results.

    If it is honestly taking you that long to follow up then something is definitely wrong.

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    Some people like a 40 better. I really like the 40 round and will carry it from time to time but my daughter that is an excellent shot is not comfortable with it but she will shoot a 9mm all day. The thing with modern ammo is any of them will get the job done. A 9mm with a good HP slug will do plenty of damage. But say your wife has a 40 but does not like to shoot it. ot don't shoot it as well. It doesn't matter what the round is if it is not getting to the target. My daughter can hit a 3" target at 50 yards pretty easily with a 9mm. she might get 1-2 on target with one of my 40's. It would make no sense to give my daughter a 40 if she can't shoot it as well. she can have 3 mags with 14 in each and it still does no good. I can give her a 9mm though and her shot placement is spot on. Same with my wife.

    Shot placement is what matters. Not the hole it makes. If you can make the hole where you want/need to make the hole then it is not going to take 16 rounds.

    The main difference between the 9mm and the 40 is the 40 is a bigger round moving at around 9mm speeds. That means a snappier recoil. Some are just not as comfortable with that snappier recoil and don't or can't use the round as well.
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    Well all things considered. If you can shoot a .40 as well as a 9mm then why not get the bigger (not counting the fact that 9mm is only slightly cheaper than .40 and by slightly I mean on like $1-$2 a box).

    My wife shot my .40. She wasnt ready and it about put her on her butt. She actually liked it but wants something with less kick to it. Now I am a decent sized guy so the recoil and stuff doesnt bother me. Now for her I would let her get a 9mm or a .380 whatever she felt comfortable with. Me I can shoot just about anything rather effectively. To me a .40 just seems to be the best round out there so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilsJohnson View Post
    Shot placement is what matters. Not the hole it makes. If you can make the hole where you want/need to make the hole then it is not going to take 16 rounds.
    This is sorta true, but the BG may have alot of fight in him, and like in Officer Soulis's case he shot the BG 17 times center mass and then 5 more times in the back finally killing the suspect.

    Another case a BG was shot 5 times center mass by a Officer with .45 ACP and many other cases have been reported where the BG was not on drugs but had alot of fight and desire to win.

    Shot placement is the key and with todays ammo 9mm, .40 cal, and .45 ACP have great performers.

    But for my own personal taste, I prefer the .45 to the others.

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    I started with a Beretta PX4 in 9mm and it is fine except you can't find many accessories for it. Then I got a .357 Ruger, little more punch, but not bad. Fired a .45 Kimber I had to have and I love it, and I'm waiting on a G23 (.40) I really like the .357 but its probably because its a wheel gun, and I really like the way it fits me. The Kimber is just simply great. I carry in a small of the back outside the belt holster, which also will fit the Glock. You do need a firm wrist for the semi's to be really consistent. Good luck, and happy shooting!

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    Cool! A one year old caliber war. While I'm here, .45.

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    There are a couple of other factors to consider as well as"kick" to guide you on your decision. While the .40 round may typically kick more than 9mm or .45, it has it's advantages. It obviously has stopping power over the 9mm, but it does have penetrating power over the .45 and I've heard it may do better against some types of armor than .45. This may be why it seems like many LE agencies are going to this round. In addition the .40 round will have a capacity advantage, as well as cost advantage to the .45. Look at guns in which all 3 rounds are chambered... like a M&P or a standard XD... there is a firepower advantage to owning a .40 over a .45 and a 9mm over both.

    Personally for home defense, I'd be comfortable with the right gun in any of the above mentioned rounds, especially considering the newer jhp rounds that expand all scientifically and what not. It also comes down to the ammo cost and how often you are gonna shoot. Sure, a .45 is great for home defense if you never shoot with your pals at the range. But if you are on a budget, you might want to rethink that .45 for a primary range gun, just my $.02. Not that I am choosing the .40 for arguments sake, because I believe there is no winner, it is ultimately your choice, but it may be the best blend of stopping power, firepower, and affordability...

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    I like a .45ACP better but only in a 1911 platform. Anything else isn't my cup of tea. I love my Glock 23 which is a .40 and carry it over all of my 9mm pistols. To me a .40 isn't any harder to shoot than a 9mm or a .45 for that matter. I can handle all equally well but I just wanted something with a little bigger and heavier bullet than 9mm provided while keeping the same pistol dimensions. Having said that I would never feel under armed with any of the three.

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    diablorising and others,
    This question comes up many times on all the forums. Bottom line is its the GUN and AMMO. If the gun doesn't fit your hand (or made poorly) it could be shooting marshmallows and it will not feel comfortable. You need a pistol that is well made and fits your hand. Different pistols will feel differently with the same ammo. Picking up a pistol from a showcase is just step one.... you must fire it to feel it! Recently they have come out with handguns with replacable hand pieces so they can fit more peoples hands well.
    SO you need to (with a pistol that fits your hand) match it to the ammo that you can shoot well with. I love the .40 in the HK USP full size and Expert but hate it in the SIG and Glock. Its OK in the CZ75 too. I can use some very nice .45 pistols too but rarely shoot them anymore. I shoot .40 165gr in competition and my daughter uses the same pistol w/ 135gr or 155gr.
    They build a zillion different types of pistols in various calibers and a second zillion of ammo types because one size does not fit all.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hipmatt View Post
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    Personally for home defense, I'd be comfortable with the right gun in any of the above mentioned rounds, especially considering the newer jhp rounds that expand all scientifically and what not. It also comes down to the ammo cost and how often you are gonna shoot. Sure, a .45 is great for home defense if you never shoot with your pals at the range. But if you are on a budget, you might want to rethink that .45 for a primary range gun, just my $.02. Not that I am choosing the .40 for arguments sake, because I believe there is no winner, it is ultimately your choice, but it may be the best blend of stopping power, firepower, and affordability...
    Once I started buying $1000 pistols....I figured I could afford a $600 Dillon reloader!

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