My biggest fear is during those moments of duress when you have to draw and the thoughts all running through your head..fear, adrenaline, thoughts about what you are about to do or what you may have to do among other things:
Pick these two guns:
My XD...I have the gun in my hand (grip safety disengaged) and if you lose your fine motor skills for one brief fraction of a second and place your finger on the trigger inadvertantly and something makes you flinch. With one in the pipe it will not take very much at all in a slight movement on that trigger and BANG...people talk all the time about how you lose your fine motor skills under stress or duress...enough that you should not let it be that you have to chamber a round....
Something else with a hammer and a safety or a decocker...gun has one in the chamber, you have it decocked...first shot is DA...in that moment of duress it would be a much more deliberate pull to make that heavy long pull on the trigger...
I know that you are not supposed to put your finger on the trigger and when I holster and unholster and practice with dry fire...I do keep it out, but during those moments I am not facing the thought that in under a second I may be shot or shoot someone and possibly kill them...When I go to the range, I draw and bring up the gun on target. I don't engage the trigger untill I am ready to shoot...when I am done, finger out...Anyone who I take with me I am very strict about that point too....But in those moments of duress, I sure as hell would not want to lose that fine motor skill and have an AD...
I know that if you train and repeat it and build muscle memory that you will do what you practiced...but it is still a scary thought to me...I carry my smith 642 DAO gun as a carry gun right now...
IMO...it is much like carrying a revolver cocked and in a holster (carrying my XD with one in the pipe)
Safety-lever or no safety-lever isn't the real issue.
The only real safety is inside your head.
The lady who holed her thigh suffered from a mental lapse, and no safety device on the face of the Earth will preserve anybody from that.
"Clicker" machines, hydraulic presses that slam down onto a die atop a leather hide to cut out the shape of a holster, are made with two triggers spread so wide apart that you can't hit both of them with only one hand. The idea is to force you to remove both of your hands from the press area before the ram comes down. But "clicker" operators routinely defeat these safety mechanisms in order to speed production. And "clicker" operators routinely lose fingers, and even whole hands.
The only real safety is inside your head.
It dont matter what you have strapped to you. You don't want it to go off don't put your booger hook in the trigger guard. It don't take much training to be able to holster and upholster a weapon and not have a finger in there.
it's just a good practice to get into. Dray your weapon and keep your finger outside the guard,acquire your target THEN get your finger in there. Getting in this habit can help with accidental discharge (yes ladies..it's not just for men anymore).
That alone can make any pistol as safe as it needs to be. I can't count all the "Dirty Harry's" that grab their weapons - Finger wrapped around the trigger just waiting to put a hole in the leg...Or someone/something else.
DJ says...Don't be a Dirty Harry, Don't stick your finger in there till it's time.
My Sigma has no safety either...... but it never really bothers me because it does not exactly have a hair trigger..... it is pretty long and hard compared to a lot of the other pistols out there.....
I've just made sure to have a good holster, and I never draw with my finger anywhere near the trigger.....
You need to keep your trigger finger off of the trigger, even if your pistol has an effectively functioning safety lever.
One: It's to set the habit. Always keep your finger off of the trigger until you really mean to shoot.
Two: It's entirely possible that your pistol's safety has become non-functional, either through breakage or by accidentally having been wiped to "off" by your holster, your shirt, your thumb, or some other agent.
Because of these and other considerations, long experience has proved to me that a safetyless double-action-only or "safe-action" trigger is actually much safer, in an adrenaline-induced panic, than is a single-action trigger system that includes a safety lever.
(By "safer," in the above paragraph, I mean "less susceptible to accidental discharge.")
"Traditional double-action" should be avoided. It is a botched abortion which requires the shooter to learn two separate trigger pulls, and to instantly switch between them while being distracted by a save-your-life fight. (Or the shooter learns to just throw away his first shot. Silly, huh?) As Jeff Cooper said, "It's a solution looking for a problem"; to which I add, "It's a bad solution without a real problem to solve."
So, we're back to your brain, which is the only reliable, always-fully-functional safety mechanism in your entire arsenal. Train your brain to be safe, and any gun you pick up will be automatically rendered as safe as it possibly can be.
These are good posts. I just spent about 3 hours out on the town with one in the chamber and didn't really feel edgy about it at all after going out to shoot yesterday. It seemed pretty natural and I was thinking that the only time I would even get close to the trigger would be if I was in need of it anyway. I'm getting more comfortable with it.
Originally Posted by ruining
Continue to practice and don't get sloppy!
Have you considered a holster like this? It helped keep my trigger finger off the trigger on draws and reholstering.
Wouldn't that holster be kind of hard to conceal? I don't usually wear coats or jackets and prefer iwb.
The problem doesn't seem to be anti-snatch, which is what that particular holster addresses, but anti-accidental/negligent-discharge.
There is also a far outside chance that that holster's trigger-guard latch could itself help cause a discharge, either alone or by means of some trapped foreign object (like a shirt-tail).
And, yes, that holster is difficult to conceal.
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