Bersa .380 sold my LCP to buy it, and very very happy.

I'll add one more vote for a Beretta. I have the 85FS and it is rock solid.


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Yes, the Beretta and Sig are probably the best of the bunch mentioned here. But remember, they are hardly the pocket guns that the Ruger and Keltec are. So, that's probably what the original poster had in mind

If I were you I would go and check on a glock 25, if you are really wanting a .380. I have held and shot a Kel-Tec .380. Cant stand them and werent very accurate. My cousin just bought a Skyy 9mm that was pretty nice. Not a bad price since he picked it up new for $300 after taxes.

Originally Posted by Brevard

If I were you I would go and check on a glock 25, if you are really wanting a .380.

The Glock 25, and 28, are not sold in the US (except possibly to LEOs). They are made primarily for markets where owning the "military caliber" 9mm is prohibited.

After holding the p-3at I would not feel comfortable carrying the gun myself but it would be great for my wife. around here I would go with the Kel-tec and not the ruger since the ruger is very hard to come by in GA. For me personally I would go with the kel-tec pf-9 or the p-11

Originally Posted by Todd

The Glock 25, and 28, are not sold in the US (except possibly to LEOs). They are made primarily for markets where owning the "military caliber" 9mm is prohibited.

They were made primarily for people in South America. You can get them it is just a pain in the butt. Some gun shops have the ability to get some. It never hurts to ask. I posted this once one the glock section I believe.

Originally Posted by Brevard

You can get them it is just a pain in the butt. Some gun shops have the ability to get some.

So you know of guns shops have the ability to circumvent import laws? Last I heard they are prohibited from sale here in the U.S. as they don't meet federal import standards or criteria for firearms import. If you have some new information, I'd love to see it. If some shop told me they could get a .380 Glock for me, I'd call BS and/or think something illegal was going on. Either way, not a chance they'd get my business.

Edit: Did some more research and found this out:

Many of the Glock's parts and sometimes the whole gun are dictated or limited by the BATF's system of "import points". To qualify for import a pistol must score 75 points based on the BATF's system which is below:

Characteristic & Points
Length: for each 1/4" over 6" (1 )
Forged steel frame (15)
Forged HTS alloy frame (20)
Unloaded weight w/mag (per oz.) (1)
.22 short and .25 auto (0)
.22 LR and 7.65mm to .380 auto (3)
9mm parabellum and over (10)
Locked breech mechanism (5)
Loaded chamber indicator (5)
Grip safety (3)
Magazine safety (5)
Firing pin block or lock (10)
External hammer (2)
Double action 10
Drift adjustable target sight (5)
Click adjustable target sight (10)
Target grips (5)
Target trigger (2)

The Glock 17 scores an 80 and the 26 scores the minimum 75

Changes and features made to Glocks to comply with the BATF rules:
- all models are imported with a cheap click-adjustable rear sight that is replaced at the factory with the stock sight
- target (grooved) trigger added to compacts & subcompacts
- target grips added to all models (required for the subcompacts)
- due to their caliber, .380 autos (G25 & G28) do not score enough points to be imported

They could be wrong. I will check and see. Last I heard you could get them.

I had go make a call to find out. The guy told me he can get them. But for law enforcement only. Which is why he told me he could get them because the two guys I was with are both inthe Sheriff's department.

And from what I have just read online there is alot of info that states law enforcements and government agents can get those guns.

But, it is a shame since the bureaucrats have decided for us that we can't have them here in the land of the free where we are not as free as our constitution says we should be.

Originally Posted by GED

If you can find a good one , look at the P230 sig. small and will handle anything you run through it. houge grips with finger grips.

About 10 yrs. ago I bought a Sig 230. I read all the glowing reports & had to have one. It was slightly used from someone I knew that bought a new handgun every couple months & traded them in just as fast.
It was a jam o matic. FMJ rounds jammed all the time. Got rid of it quick.
If you can find a good one & try it out, OK. Mine was probably the exception.

Originally Posted by PhilR.

The LCP just plain looks nicer than the KT, which alone is good enough for me.

When it comes to a CCW weapon, the ONLY part of the gun I want the BG to see is the open end of the barrel pointed at his face! As they taught us in architecture school, form follows function.

As far as the shovel, it reminds me of the lyrics from a Spike Jones song...
Never hit your grandma with a shovel,
It leaves a bad impression on her mind.

Scott

About 10 yrs. ago I bought a Sig 230. I read all the glowing reports & had to have one. It was slightly used from someone I knew that bought a new handgun every couple months & traded them in just as fast.
It was a jam o matic. FMJ rounds jammed all the time. Got rid of it quick.
If you can find a good one & try it out, OK. Mine was probably the exception.
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Sorry to hear your p 230 jamed a lot however I have put 2000 rounds, factory ,black talons and my reloads, through my p 230 with no jams. I would have had a gunsmith look at it first before getting rid of it .

I strongly recommend the SIG-Sauer P232; it is my favorite gun. I have been carrying a P230 or a P232 in my pocket for almost 20 years, and I have never had any problems, as long as I clean and maintain the gun regularly.

I voted for the shovel, since I haven't been able to find ammo for my .380!

I want to get a Kahr 380. It seems to be about as thin as the Keltec 380. That new Micro Eagle is interesting, but rather heavy, and it is thick. I looked at one recently.

I will never part with my LCP..love it

Originally Posted by BadKarma

I will never part with my LCP..love it

Same here

I love my LCP, finding ammo is tough. I have very limited experience but I did shoot a few 380 guns before purchasing the Ruger. I didn't enjoy shooting it that much until I got the pinky extensions on my magazines. Now I can shoot it all day and have become pretty good with it. My first gun was a Ruger 10-22 and then a Ruger Blackhawk in 357 stainless so I feel good going with Ruger.

I voted Ruger, but I would be afraid that's what I would throw in my pocket every day because it's easy. I like a hi cap 9mm, 6+1 of 380 just doesn't seem like enough to me.

Not enough choices, i would pick a beretta model 84 or the browning variant. I want a .380 with high capacity and controlabilty. I would not count out a Sig 232 either.

I'm thinking about getting a Ruger LCP for times when my Glock 26 is too bulky.

I have a keltec p380 and it is easy to carry. I dont think it protects me as well as my glock 27 which is not as easy to carry. The shovel would do the job if I could get close enough. Hey, that's the same as the 380, get close enough!

The new Kahr P380 totally outclasses the LCP. I bought an LCP when they first came out and it is a good little concealment pistol. But I like to practise a lot and after a few magazines thru the LCP it gets downright uncomfortable to shoot. I recently bought a Kahr P380 and feel it's a much better pistol in every way. You can shoot it comfortably all day and the sights are a huge improvement. Try one and you'll see what I mean.