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    Dirty used gun

    I was looking at a used Walther P99 today...the gun was in excellent shape. The gun store was nice enough to field strip it for me as well to look at the internals, which were in excellent condition but dirty. Should the fact that the internals were dirty cause me to run the other direction? The rest of the gun looks like it's barely been fired.

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    No, clean it.

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    Yup...

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    Clean it up if it looks good otherwise. I bought a Kahr CW45 that was absolutely the dirtiest I had ever seen. The previous owner must not have known how to take it apart. Cleaned it up and it has been flawless. Can't always go by looks.

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    If it looks dirty though, wouldn't that suggest that the previous owner may not have lubricated it properly?

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    Possibly, it would certainly suggest that the previous owner did not clean it properly.

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    Maybe the previous owner knew he was going to sell it and didn't feel like cleaning it. You could buy a used gun that had thousand's of rounds thru it and was only ever cleaned once. But if that one time was the day before you bought it....... What's the difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    Maybe the previous owner knew he was going to sell it and didn't feel like cleaning it. You could buy a used gun that had thousand's of rounds thru it and was only ever cleaned once. But if that one time was the day before you bought it....... What's the difference?
    I'm just wondering more if the dirty state is an indicator of hidden issues. When buying anything used you want to look for whether the item has been shown pride of ownership. Something dirty might suggest it wasn't cared for that well.

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    I would personally be concerned with the weapon being dirty for the reasons you mentioned. If the owner did not care enough to clean his/her pistol, what else did he/she not care enough to do to it. Also, I would question the quality of the gunshop if the staff there puts a dirty weapon out for sale. A lot of gun stores that sell used weapons claim that they take the weapons through an inspection before selling them. If it is dirty I would think they did not inspect it very well.

    I would not buy it unless you are completely convinced there is nothing wrong with it.

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    If you are as concerned about the gun being dirty as you seem to be, then listen to that inner voice Grasshopper. Otherwise you might be second guessing yourself and that doesn't make for proud gun ownership.

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    Tell the shop that you will buy it after they clean it and you inspect it one last time. If they want to sell it, they will clean it.

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    I was looking at a used Walther P99 today...the gun was in excellent shape.
    +1 on the apprearance.

    The gun store was nice enough to field strip it for me as well to look at the internals, which were in excellent condition but dirty.
    +1 on the niceness of the gun store.
    +1 on the internals in excellent condition.
    -1 on the internals being dirty.

    The rest of the gun looks like it's barely been fired.
    Not sure how it can appear that it has barely been fired when the impression that you give is that it is extremely filthy inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptarmigan View Post
    Also, I would question the quality of the gunshop if the staff there puts a dirty weapon out for sale. A lot of gun stores that sell used weapons claim that they take the weapons through an inspection before selling them. If it is dirty I would think they did not inspect it very well.
    Exactly what I was thinking. The gun shop does actually want to sell the gun right? You'd think they'd take a few minutes to clean the thing up. Doesn't say a whole lot positive for them. It would be the same as if a used car dealer didn't wash and vacuum the cars they were trying to sell.

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    I believe the integrity of the gun store is not in question. They field stripped the gun (which is a display of honesty and intent to sell) and either wasn't aware that it's dirty, don't care, or perhaps it's really not all that dirty. The level of filth can be subjective to ones perception. However, I agree, they should have checked it thoroughly before and should present a clean gun for sale, even the slightest film of residue should have been cleaned off. Does this mean that the gun itself is bad? Not necessarily, it certainly indicates that it wasn't cleaned and also may indicate indolence on the part of the previous owner as well as the gun store. I would follow through with BeefyBeefo's suggestion.
    Last edited by unpecador; 09-14-2008 at 09:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Exactly what I was thinking. The gun shop does actually want to sell the gun right? You'd think they'd take a few minutes to clean the thing up. Doesn't say a whole lot positive for them. It would be the same as if a used car dealer didn't wash and vacuum the cars they were trying to sell.
    The gun is on consignment, so basically they let the seller set the price and just put the gun out there. I also don't think this particular gun has been looked at much, as the people at the gun store weren't even aware that it came with 10-round communist mags until I looked at it (10 rounders are a big negative in Virginia, and mags for P99s are expensive). So I also doubt they field stripped it before I asked them to.

    I'm not really concerned about the internals of the gun being dirty so much as wondering if that is an indication that the gun may not have been maintained properly. The rest of the gun looks relatively unused...no wear on the finish, only one small nick on the frame, and very little wear on the outside of the barrel from the slide cycling. The bore is also very clean. Basically I'm only second guessing myself because this would be my first handgun and I am by no means an expert on evaluating used ones.

    It would also be a completely moot point if the seller isn't willing to come down from $550 on the price. I was offered a newer model used P99 with a laser at another gun store for just over $600 (wasn't interested though because it was a QA model), and have seen a few others newer models going for around $500 or so. Based on the research I've done into pricing, this particular one I'm looking at (2001 model P99 AS 9mm) is worth about $400-450.

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    This thread was started based on your concern for cleanliness and now you're saying that your not that concerned about the gun being dirty. Cleaning a gun is maintaining it properly, there's not much else to maintain unless a part malfunctions.

    How are 10 round mags a big negative in Virginia?

    This gun may be worth $400-$450 but if it's hard to find anywhere else and this is the gun you want then it should be worth more to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unpecador View Post
    This thread was started based on your concern for cleanliness and now you're saying that your not that concerned about the gun being dirty. Cleaning a gun is maintaining it properly, there's not much else to maintain unless a part malfunctions.

    How are 10 round mags a big negative in Virginia?

    This gun may be worth $400-$450 but if it's hard to find anywhere else and this is the gun you want then it should be worth more to you.
    I started the thread to ask if being dirty should be a red flag that makes me go look for something else. If being dirty isn't a big issue, then I don't have a problem with it.

    10 round mags are a negative in Virginia because full-capacity magazines are legal here. It's not like Massachusetts where high-capacity mags are against the law.

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    I rest my case, this appears to be a pointless merry-go-round.

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    I thought it was a reasonable question, and a reasonable concern. Glad you posted it.

    Matt noted that the internals show little wear, the powder residue is a concern for reliable operation, but easily remedied. I'd suggest that you clear the firearm, and check that the barrel locks up tightly with the slide when in battery. It shouldn't move at all. The slide will move a bit relative to the frame, but the barrel and slide should seem like one piece of steel.

    Hope this helps...

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    Look it over, function test it, buy it, take home, clean, shoot hell out of..........

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