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Almost pulled trigger on buglar at home

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#1 · (Edited)
Not sure where to post this but on Sunday August 31, 2008 after securing everything for preparation of hurricane Gustov I went to close my garage door and noticed a black man walking out of my garage. I went out and told him to stop and he started running to a maroon older model Cadillac. I am a ccw and immediately pulled out my handgun and for a split second was going to shoot out the tires or the back window. I then realized my life was not in danger and put the gun back in my pocket. Upon entering my garage, I noticed that my boys Yamaha dirt bike and helmet was missing. By the time I got my keys for my truck The burglars were out of the neighborhood and could not be found. The responsibilities and liability of being a ccw suddenly hit me, if I would have shot at the vehicle I would probably be in jail now and would have to pay damages to their vehicle. I called the police and they made a report but could not find the vehicle in my small town. I only lost a dirt bike but could have lost a lot more if I used deadly force. The officer said I was lucky I didn't shoot because it is only justified if my life or someone else's life was in danger. I totally agree. So to everyone reading this please use a cool head in situations like these. I learned my lesson.
 
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RVL8, The price of homeowners insurance in Louisiana is very high so I have a $2500 deductible to keep the price down. The value of the dirtbike is $1000 so being reimbursed by the insurance company is not an option.
 
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I went out and told him to stop and he started running to a maroon older model Cadillac. I am a ccw and immediately pulled out my handgun and for a split second was going to shoot out the tires or the back window.
I'll play Monday morning quarterback. This is a very cheap lesson. Why'd you pull the gun at all, let alone "almost pulled the trigger?" Because an unarmed guy was running away from you? As they say, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Did he have the ability to harm you? Nope, not with no weapons in hand and running in the opposite direction.

Did he have the opportunity to harm you? Nope, see above.

Were you in jeopardy? Nope, see above.

Without the above factors, you're not justified in shooting. The gun should have remained holstered, and you should have tried to get the vehicle's tag number. We have to think these things through before they happen, and not try to come up with something on the spot, under stress. This is part of that "mindset" thing instructors like to harp on.

You won't rise to the occasion, you'll default to the level of your training. - Barrett Tillman
 
#7 ·
I know I was wrong because of the reasons listed above.I do not need to give ccw's a bad rep. I would do it different if I had to do it again. the license plate on the car was full of soot or mud and I couldn't read it. As I stated above the responsibilities of carrying a gun are great. I never should have pulled out my gun. I really feel like I let down my ccw instructer and all who have a ccw. It is a lesson learned for me. I just hope this doesn't happen to someone else and hopefully others will learn from my mistake.
 
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I know I was wrong because of the reasons listed above.I do not need to give ccw's a bad rep. I would do it different if I had to do it again. the license plate on the car was full of soot or mud and I couldn't read it. As I stated above the responsibilities of carrying a gun are great. I never should have pulled out my gun. I really feel like I let down my ccw instructer and all who have a ccw. It is a lesson learned for me. I just hope this doesn't happen to someone else and hopefully others will learn from my mistake.
Frankly, I appreciate your honesty. In this instance you have shared with us a story where you made a mistake and correctly identify the reasons why it was wrong. The only way your tale could be better would be if you confirmed your finger was out of the triggerguard the whole time.

Much better than the stupid "its an AD, not an ND" mea culpas we often see.
 
#10 ·
Glad you realized you were in the wrong before you got into a lot of trouble...
RVL8, The price of homeowners insurance in Louisiana is very high so I have a $2500 deductible to keep the price down. The value of the dirtbike is $1000 so being reimbursed by the insurance company is not an option.
A dirtbike is considered a vehicle anyway, so Homeowners wouldn't cover it even if your deductible was lower. One of my friends at work found that out when his son's dirtbike was stolen a couple months ago.
 
#11 ·
My finger was never on the trigger, just outside of the trigger guard. I always preach to my kids that you never put your finger on the trigger until you find your target and look to see what is behind it and are ready to shoot. This still does not make my actions responsible. The more I think about my actions, the more guilty I feel. What if I would have pulled the trigger and killed someone in the car? I carry a Ruger LCP and with the very long trigger pull maybe if I was pulling the trigger I could have stopped the gun from shooting. Makes me wonder if I should be carrying at all. I will definitely practice more and try to take a class or two with a good instructer.
 
#12 ·
Thanks for all the comments. If anyone criticizes me it is because I deserve it, and will take this as a learning experience.
 
#17 ·
I'd just close the garage door. I'm not looking to fight.
If you saw somebody run out of your garage you'd run inside and close the garage door? I think you're actions would be the exception and not the norm. Not saying which is right or wrong. Heck, your actions might be the smart decision. But I think most people would probably chase them just as a natural reaction. I know my first reaction would be to chase after them. I may instantly regret my decision though, lol.
 
#23 · (Edited)
I'm not even saying w/ a gun in hand. Just somebody in your home that you dont know, it is natural ( I think ) to confront them. Trust me, I know I'm no tough guy. I dont even play one on TV.
That's not at all the scenario described above, though. This was a guy fleeing and with no visible weapons, not someone inside the house. The OP took his gun out. RUT said he'd take his gun out. You said you'd chase the guy.

To hell with all that. I'd just close the garage, pull my cell phone out of my pocket, call the cops, and try to give them a good description of the car and its occupants. There's nothing a guy could carry out of my garage worth $50,000 in attorney's fees.
 
#25 ·
I am neither LEO nor trainer, but I think I'd still point out a couple of things. We know by hindsight that the intruder was the only one person; if there had been a look out who had not come into view yet, perhaps one who might have been armed, the presence in hand of the OP's firearm was not necessarily a bad thing. The fact that he had his finger outside the trigger guard and had declined to fire when not confronted seems to show good scenario discipline even if he's second guessing now. Of course if there is no way that a second intruder could have been involved, then my speculation is clearly wrong.

I am no expert, I'm just mulling this scene as presented by the OP. If I'm wrong please please please correct me.
 
#26 ·
I am neither LEO nor trainer, but I think I'd still point out a couple of things. We know by hindsight that the intruder was the only one person; if there had been a look out who had not come into view yet, perhaps one who might have been armed, the presence in hand of the OP's firearm was not necessarily a bad thing. The fact that he had his finger outside the trigger guard and had declined to fire when not confronted seems to show good scenario discipline even if he's second guessing now. Of course if there is no way that a second intruder could have been involved, then my speculation is clearly wrong.

I am no expert, I'm just mulling this scene as presented by the OP. If I'm wrong please please please correct me.
The main problem I see with this scenario (a 2nd unseen armed BG) is that if you present to the first guy you will get shot. Not a good result considering the first guy was retreating.
 
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