My answer might be dependant on what two handguns you allready have. Care to clue us in?

PhilR.

I vote for the XD45. In my opinion, the reliability is the same, but the XD has more convenient safety features.

Plus it doesn't look like a spray painted brick...

Originally Posted by PhilR.

My answer might be dependant on what two handguns you allready have. Care to clue us in?

PhilR.

According to his previous posts, he owns a CZ P-01 and a SIG P226 9mm both purchased within the past 90 days or so and I'm a bit surprised to find that he is already looking for a third. I have no problem with this but he should just come clean and admit that he is addicted and can't stop buying guns.

Yea, I enjoy it. Its my new hobby next to jazz guitar and kite flying....so sue me!!!

I hear ya! Electric guitar for me, I have the need for speed...

If you're carrying, XD45 Compact. Gives you a 10-round or 13-round option. with 3/4-1" less butt printing.

JW

Either is fine. I prefer the XD in 45 because the Glock grip is extra wide (compared to their 9mm and 40 line) and I don't like it. That's just me, though.

Originally Posted by JeffWard

If you're carrying, XD45 Compact. Gives you a 10-round or 13-round option. with 3/4-1" less butt printing.

JW

Doggone Jeff, you reading what little mind I have? Second post this morning I've used your quote. +1 on the XD. Have one myself for both carry and local range competition.

I'm normally a Glock partisan, but the Glock .45s (with the exception of the 36) are bricks. If for some reason I wanted a modern .45, I'd get the XD.

Originally Posted by unpecador

According to his previous posts, he owns a CZ P-01 and a SIG P226 9mm both purchased within the past 90 days or so and I'm a bit surprised to find that he is already looking for a third. I have no problem with this but he should just come clean and admit that he is addicted and can't stop buying guns.

If this is the case, then I would vote "neither". Since you already seem to have some modern hi-capacity auto's, why get a third? Why not get something really different?

There are a few firearms that seem to be universal. IOW, the ones that everyone should have, or no one should be without. One example is a decent .22 handgun. Another example, if one is going to have a .45acp, is the 1911. Everyone should have a 1911 at some point in their lives. 1911's are a classic design, are fun to shoot, easily found, endlessly customizable, and often have great triggers and excellent accuracy. They are just a whoot to shoot as well. I think the government should give every able-bodied adult one (ok, not really, but you get the idea).

If you are still stuck on the idea of a boringly-reliable poly auto, then just get the one that fits your hand the best, as there are really no other defining characteristics that make one pistol better than the other.

PhilR.

Yea, I was thinking about he 1911, but I dont know anything about them and who makes a good one. All I know is Colt and Kimber. I will try one out at the range if they have one. I did try out the Springfield XD45 and the grip is superb. The Glock 21 is too big for my little hands. I do like the glock 19 and 23 to shoot but the Glock 45acp series are way to big. Yea, I was looking at one of those Ruger 22. They are fun to shoot and the cost of ammo...well... you cant beat it! Im in California so all magazines can not carry more than 10 rounds and CCW are near to impossible to acquire. California Sucks....

Originally Posted by PhilR.

If you are still stuck on the idea of a boringly-reliable poly auto, then just get the one that fits your hand the best, as there are really no other defining characteristics that make one pistol better than the other.
PhilR.

God, I hate the boringly-reliable characteristics of my XDs....

Aim, squeeze, BANG, repeat...



Jeff

I'm puzzled by that "boringly-reliable" comment as well, no matter how much I try, just can't make sense of it.

Originally Posted by unpecador

I'm puzzled by that "boringly-reliable" comment as well, no matter how much I try, just can't make sense of it.

This is a term that you sometimes see when one describes a characteristic that *never* changes. It's like the sun rising. The sun never fails to rise, and can always be counted upon to rise. There is never any question as to it's rising. Therefore the subject is rather boring, as there is never any variance (other than the time it actually appears over the horizon).

The reliability of most Glocks (and many other good pistols) is in this same manner -- it's *always* good, and therefore devoid of variance. Day in, day out, rain or shine, sleet or snow, limpwristers as well - they always run. IOW - there's really nothing to debate about, unless you want to re-hash the same old thing, which to me is, well...boring.

In case you haven't deduced from the above, the use of "boringly" in this case is a compliment.....

PhilR.

Originally Posted by JeffWard

God, I hate the boringly-reliable characteristics of my XDs....

Aim, squeeze, BANG, repeat...



Jeff

EXACTLY!!!!

PhilR.

Thanks PhilR. for sharing your perspective. Repetition can become boring. For example, a persons job, or the husband or wife who cheats because of a their repetitious sex life. However, I think you may be using the word boring out of context in regards to a reliable gun but that's ok, to each his own. I think a .22 pistol is boring to shoot but because it lacks power for me. When I'm at the range shooting and there is not one single malfunction, I consider that an enjoyment rather than a bore and the reliability aspect provides me with peace of mind. Its true there's nothing to debate about as it appears to be a matter of personal opinion.

Is the glass half empty or half full?

I rather liked PhilR.'s turn of phrase.

To me it's not a matter of like or dislike, I understand his point but my fragile brain does not properly process that kind of phrasing.

Boredom is a state of mind and reliability is a required function.

Originally Posted by unpecador

Thanks PhilR. for sharing your perspective. Repetition can become boring. For example, a persons job, or the husband or wife who cheats because of a their repetitious sex life. However, I think you may be using the word boring out of context in regards to a reliable gun but that's ok, to each his own. I think a .22 pistol is boring to shoot but because it lacks power for me. When I'm at the range shooting and there is not one single malfunction, I consider that an enjoyment rather than a bore and the reliability aspect provides me with peace of mind. Its true there's nothing to debate about as it appears to be a matter of personal opinion.

Is the glass half empty or half full?

You're quite welcome. Actually, my useage was not out of context. It's use does not depreciate in any way the unfailing reliability of pistols such as the Glock or XD, nor does it take away from the enjoyment one gets from using such reliable handguns. It's just that it was used in a manner in which you are not used to seeing. IOW, used in a different fashion than you would have used.

Next time I use that phrase, I'll try to remember to enclose it in quotation marks, which might help you and others to realize that terms can often be used in a sort of "endearment" fashion, and therefore does not always need to be taken in a literal sense.

PhilR.

what's going on??

So umm...made up your mind on a pistol?

Originally Posted by junkit_boy

what's going on??

It's called a "conversation", which is a written or verbal discourse on a particular subject, between two or more individuals (or just one, if you are schizo). Are you having a hard time following it?

PhilR.

Nope Phil, just trying to decipher the term boring.

Im leaning torward the XD, I cant get over the grip of the G21. I went to the range today and shot a 40 cal XD. Even though it was a 40 I did have more control over it than the G17 I rented...and that was a 9mm

TheXD45 wins right now..or I can wait till i get more money and get a HK 45.. those are nice too! ... still doing my homework

I did this today at 30 (+or- 5 feet from a P226 9mm..Im still a beginner..so I think i did ok...