View Poll Results: Which 45 for non CCW?
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what's going on??
So umm...made up your mind on a pistol?
It's called a "conversation", which is a written or verbal discourse on a particular subject, between two or more individuals (or just one, if you are schizo). Are you having a hard time following it?
Originally Posted by junkit_boy
Nope Phil, just trying to decipher the term boring.
Im leaning torward the XD, I cant get over the grip of the G21. I went to the range today and shot a 40 cal XD. Even though it was a 40 I did have more control over it than the G17 I rented...and that was a 9mm
TheXD45 wins right now..or I can wait till i get more money and get a HK 45.. those are nice too! ... still doing my homework
I did this today at 30 (+or- 5 feet from a P226 9mm..Im still a beginner..so I think i did ok...
Originally Posted by PhilR.
people in europe do not like 1911 guns. mostly just an american thing.
Where in Europe do you live?
Originally Posted by JONSCH
I'm not much of a fan when it comes to Glock in anything other than 9mm. So I voted the XD. I do like the XD, but I decided I like my HKs better and for a CCW gun, my G19.
The G19 is a pretty cool gun. Its probably the only Glock that can fit my hand comfortably. HK is really expensive (i live in calif.) I went to Bass Pro today and gripped a couple of guns. The XD does feel nice compared to most of the 45s out there. They had the FNP9.. nice grip..but it felt really cheap... not soild. So, I think I'm going pick up a XD45 compact. If I ever get a full size 45 I might get a 1911 or a P220 since I love Sig Products..and CZ too!
If this is your requirement why have you limited yourself to high cap polymer guns?
Originally Posted by junkit_boy
My opinion is that polymer provides a compromise of reduced cost, light weight and comfort at the cost of greater recoil and imperfect triggers. Generally, this trade off is a no brainer for CCW, but this is not your intent.
If you absolutely must have a high-cap .45 and must stay under $1,000, then you might want to consider Para Ordnance high cap 1911s (P14-45). Although not the best 1911, the trigger and recoil management will be superior to the Glock and XD.
I would think the full size XD would be better for both HD and Target. Have you added CCW to your requirement?
I do believe the XD is the better choice.
CCW are not allowed in California...for the most part.
This gun is strickly for range practice and home protection. Calif sucks
Just came back from the Gun Store. I tried out a couple of 1911s. I can see why they are the pride and true. Nice contour and all metal components feel solid. I'm strongly consider your suggestion Phil...thanks
Here's my XD45 at approx 7yds...
The Glocks are accurate too, but you can't bitch about this 10-shot group...
One thing the XD is superior to the Glock in is handle diameter and that's only for people with short fingers. That's it. Now with the introduction of the Model 21/SF even that reason doesn't hold. Other reasons given to the XD's superiority are subjective to opinion and nothing else.
A few of the given 'reasons' XDs are better:
The Glock is about $80 more than the XD. I don't know many people who think $80 is something to worry about with something that protects your life. I just put $80.00 worth of gas in my truck this morning.
At the indoor range I shoot at they have XDs come back for warranty work (sometimes complete replacement due to inability to repair). Cracked frames, ftf, stovepiping, chambers needing to be honed. The list goes on and on.
Like the aforementioned reason - it's false. Most people have this opinion based on only having a few thousand (if that) rounds through their XDs. At the range they are constantly having problems with their XD rentals (see previous reason problems) while Glocks usually run about 100,000 rounds through them before they cycle a new one into the mix. Those are 100,000 trouble free rounds. Consistently. Wait a few more years when all of these XDs get some real use.
XD likes to tout this one in their advertising as well saying that when you point it the sights line up rather than having you look at the top of the slide. Glock went with their 105 degree handle angle for a reason: they tested, tested and did some more testing and found that it provided the best firing results for accuracy and following shots. The XD's handle angle along with its high barrel axis to the hand provide much more muzzle flip than a Glock which in turn means less accurate double-taps and a less control.
Single action vs double action.
The Glock uses the double action for safety. It's one of the reasons it's called Safe-Action. If the striker spring isn't cocked - it can't fire! Just like a down hammer. The XD has a cocked spring. You can count on replacing the striker spring many more times in an XD than a Glock because of this. You also better hope your firing pin block is in proper working order or you're at the mercy of the poorly designed sear of the XD which, by the way, will fire out of battery. Try pushing back on the slide sometime while pulling the trigger. The double action might not be as smooth, clean or as short a pull of the single action, but these are service pistols not target pistols.
The slide lock.
The slide lock on the Glock is designed to be tight against the frame and slide as to not be snagged on anything. They also wanted people to use two hands to release the slide because it's a more controlled manner than hitting the lock with your thumb. This isn't the movies! Release the slide the proper way. The slide lock on the XD also adds a decent amount to the overall width of the weapon - not very carry friendly.
Tenifer is not the outside coating. Tenifer is the metal treatment of the slide and barrel itself. It is .005 mm thick and is close the the hardness of diamond. The treatment of the metal itself achieves a 99.9% salt water resistance. Tenifer is also illegal in this country because the EPA. XD does not have it. Don't regularly oil the slide on your XD and carry it in a cold climate for a while. The in/out condensation will rust your slide in no time.
Good thing Springfield has you covered here, you're going to need it.
The Glock actually uses a faster process which uses less steps than the XD. Also, many people rotate the take-down lever then pull the slide lock down putting all forward inertia of the slide to come to a halt against the sear (it's the only thing keeping the slide from going forward at that point) and cause damage to the sear, striker and frame.
Loaded chamber indicator.
Glock has this as well.
Glock has this as well. If the trigger is forward on a Glock, it's cocked. Also, how are you going to get a round into the chamber on either of these guns without it being cocked? It's not a Walther with a decocker.
How is a gun going to go off without your hand on the handle? Your finger should never be inside the trigger guard unless you have the weapon acquired and intend to fire. Are we forgetting some basic firearm rules? The grip safety is null and void.
If you can't find genuine Glock custom parts for your Glock at your local gun dealer, you need to find a new one. Glock holsters, parts and accessories are everywhere. Try to find a holster for your XD. It's much more difficult. Yes, it's newer and takes a while, but companies will be reluctant to make them because Springfield supplies you with one, albeit a horrible one with not one level of retention.
I felt the need to debunk these XD/Glock myths. The XD is not even close the being up to par with the Glock. The Glock is going on 20 years now and has changed the world of pistols - the XD won't make that sort of impact. Bill T.
maybe if enough people buy the XD and M&P's and the model 21 & 30 sales go way way south....then maybe
Glock will come out with a full size single stack 45.
This is so long overdue it isn't funny......
Glock can spend $1-2M each year for the last 2-3 years for a RACE CAR sponsorship advertisement but not put out a single stack 45.....
They are selling so many 21's and 21 SF's why should they? When it comes to ammo compacity, very few agree that "less is more". Besides, they already have the Model 36 for someone who wants a slim framed, carry .45. Don't sell Glocks marketing short. Few, if any companies, have sold more handguns in the last 20 years. Bill T.
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