My 17 has often bounced cases off the divider between lanes and hit me, but they don't hit me directly. Are they coming directly back at you?

yes they hit me directly sometimes. and not persistently. with lower grain bullets the hits are more presistent. i have tried all glocks and hk guns. cant afford to be in life and death situation with cartridge hitting me in the eye.

The older Glock 19s were sort of famous/infamous for pinging cases off the heads of short-armed shooters. Since then, I've not heard of it as a widespread problem with Glocks or HKs.

What shooting stance do you use, and how far is the pistol from your face when you shoot?

my g17 (new, 3rd gen) will eject cases in the air and they will fall down on my head, but they dont just shoot right at me. my 1911 does the same thing.

If you have fired all Glocks and HK's (that's a lot of guns) and getting the same results, there must be something that you are doing to allow it.

Originally Posted by Mike Barham

The older Glock 19s were sort of famous/infamous for pinging cases off the heads of short-armed shooters.

Hmmm... Short arms... Big head.... a picture is developing:

Improper handgun grip and/or broken extractor.

Originally Posted by brisk21

my g17 (new, 3rd gen) will eject cases in the air and they will fall down on my head, but they dont just shoot right at me. my 1911 does the same thing.

you are absolutely right! the same happens to me with glocks and hk. only stoeger cougar is free from this problem.

Originally Posted by submoa

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Sir, please dont be rude as i am being very honest with the problem . i have tested the guns with various ammos .

i have done research into the problem , why the ejected catridges hit my face . its because of bigger ejection ports on glock and hk handguns. the ejection port extends upwards and some rounds are not ejected sideways but upward and backward to the face. what do you think?



plus, i am right handed but my dominant eye is left so gun is right in front of my face so, the probability of ejected catridge hittin my face is higher compared to shooters with right dominant eye.

Currently i am using STOEGER COUGAR 9mm(it is same copy of Brettas COUGA R8000). I have fired nearly 7000 rounds from it without ant problem at all( I consider it as perfect gun except sights are not very good for fast acquistion of target). It has ejection port to the right only and not upwards like glock or hk etc, thatswhy the ejected carteridge never goes upwards and backwars on my face or torso.

Anyways, i want to switch to .45 auto .
can you please guide me in choosing the a handgun in .45 auto with following chracteristics?

1. extreamely reliable and very durable.

2. polygonal barreling and other any features for highest accuracy.

3. ejection port to the right (not extended upwards).

4. decocker and manual safety(with safety on the pin should be blocked and not just the trigger).

5. fast target accquisition sights ( eg 3 dots or glock type sights or straight eight sights, and perferrably night sights to glow in dark).

6. medium or just compact size for concealed carry( but in no way the compactness should compromise the reliability and durability factor. meaning, the size factor can be compromised but not the reliability and long service life factor of the gun).

7. smoothest and lightest trigger pull possible as in my experience trigger pull adds considerably to acccuracy.

8. light weight if possible (but not at the stake of any other traits mentioned above).

9. ejected carteridge should not hit my face

10. The gun should not be needed to be cocked for getting locked(meaning the gun should have manual safety, and safety could be activated regardless the hammer is cocked or not unlike cz9mm).

your help will be very much appreciated,


zeeshan

zeeshan.haider@hotmail.com

Originally Posted by zeeshan

you are absolutely right! the same happens to me with glocks and hk. only stoeger cougar is free from this problem.

Well there's your solution, if Glocks and HK are not working out for you then stick with the Stoeger.

With the exception of the decocker you described the Witness P series of pistols. Check 'em out. While you're at it, check out the "Baby Eagle" from Magnum Research. Same design but better quality.

Originally Posted by zeeshan

Currently i am using STOEGER COUGAR 9mm...I consider it as perfect gun

You already like the Stoeger Cougar in 9mm. Consider Beretta 8045 Cougar in .45ACP. Duh.

LMAO
zeeshan - lighten up
submoa - you must be a fungi to be around - funny people think like that
zeeshan must not have been too upset - the message even copied the post so we could see the picture again
SERIOUSLY - yes i do hate it when the divider at the range richochets the cartridge back at me - sometimes i think that is a range that had a poor design but not everybody can afford a range with 4' between aisles

I don't remember if the FN in 45 has both a decocker and a safety, but it is worth a look. I really like the Smith 4506 / or maybe the the 457 or the 4516. The smiths are not particularly light or small but they have many of the other features you are looking for. A similar statement can be said about the Ruger P-90.


The Sig 220 is a wonderful 45 acp. It does not have a manual safety though.

Originally Posted by submoa

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My keyboard now has a fine mist of beer on it thanks to that post!!

Originally Posted by submoa

You already like the Stoeger Cougar in 9mm. Consider Beretta 8045 Cougar in .45ACP. Duh.

+1

-Jeff-

one time a guy was shooting .45s next to me at the range and they kept flying and hittin me in the head. i enjoyed it cause it adds to the stress and you learn to ignore it. just keep wearing your glasses and stop crying about it. in a SD situation things will be the hest from perfect as you can imagine.

but then again, i also listen to loud music sometimes when i shoot to further up the stress levels. maybe its just me.

Originally Posted by rvl8

one time a guy was shooting .45s next to me at the range and they kept flying and hittin me in the head. i enjoyed it cause it adds to the stress and you learn to ignore it.

Makes sense, it would still annoy the heck out of me, but very creative thinking nevertheless.

you are right. i really like stoeger cougar but it has one set back, the bore axis is very high (makes gun lesser accurate). anyone out there please help me identify the gun according to my requirements. can i any one know how can i contact any gun manufacturer, who will look into my gun design and requirements and make a custom handgun for me.

i am still awaiting some serious input to my thread

Originally Posted by zeeshan

i am still awaiting some serious input to my thread

You have, as quoted below. People have suggested the Glocks and the HK's. They have also suggested that it may be a user issue, in which some responders to your thread have even asked you for more details regrading your stance and technique, to which you have not replied.

Originally Posted by unpecador

Well there's your solution, if Glocks and HK are not working out for you then stick with the Stoeger.

Originally Posted by GlockamaniaŽ

Improper handgun grip and/or broken extractor.

Originally Posted by unpecador

If you have fired all Glocks and HK's (that's a lot of guns) and getting the same results, there must be something that you are doing to allow it.

Originally Posted by Mike Barham

The older Glock 19s were sort of famous/infamous for pinging cases off the heads of short-armed shooters. Since then, I've not heard of it as a widespread problem with Glocks or HKs.

What shooting stance do you use, and how far is the pistol from your face when you shoot?

Originally Posted by IntegraGSR

My 17 has often bounced cases off the divider between lanes and hit me, but they don't hit me directly. Are they coming directly back at you?

You are getting serious input. IMO, you're discounting it because you're not getting the answers that you want to hear, especially the fact that it may be something that you're doing and not the gun.

Originally Posted by submoa

Hmmm... Short arms... Big head.... a picture is developing:

+1 LOL!

A high bore axis doesn't make the gun less accurate from a mechanical standpoint. It just makes it harder to shoot fast and well from human hands. But unless you're a pretty good and experienced shooter, you probably won't even be able to tell the difference. I don't get from your posts that you're very experienced.

Anyway, all guns are compromises. Just choose where you're willing to compromise. I wish Glocks had smaller grip circumferences, but they don't. I overlook that because I like the gun otherwise.