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  1. 06-17-2008, 04:13 PM #1
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    Guns magazine...oy!

    For an example of why gun magazines are not authoritative, I refer everyone to page 58 of Guns, August 2008 issue. There you will see a Kel-Tec PLR-16 with a Surefire vertical foregrip attached. Here's my letter to the editor:

    Interesting article on the Kel-Tec PLR-16. Even more interesting photo on page 58 with the Surefire light and vertical foregrip attached. I’m sure you’re aware that attaching a vertical foregrip to a pistol makes it a prohibited NFA weapon, and is illegal under federal law if the appropriate tax stamp is not obtained.

    Here’s a link for you: http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/041006-vert_grip.htm. Not sure if you registered the weapon in the photos as an AOW, but you might consider warning your readers before they follow the example in the photo and unwittingly make themselves into felons eligible for 20 years in federal prison.

    We had a good chuckle about it around the office, but the possibility exists that someone unfamilar with the law will add a foregrip to his "assault pistol" and find himself in deep kimchi.
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    Mike,
    With your distaste for Gun rags, you should have just mailed it to the ATF with a bookmark in it. hehehe

    Zhur

    PS. Good catch
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    I love picking on gun mags.

    Nothing like browsing through eight pages of advertisments for a particular gun manufacturer and then reading the "unbiased review".

    Even after reading the ATF regulation I still dont see what a vertical foregrip would do to change the concealibilty of a firearm or change its function. But this is the ATF.

    "Always Think Forfeiture"
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    Quote Originally Posted by zhurdan View Post
    Mike,
    With your distaste for Gun rags, you should have just mailed it to the ATF with a bookmark in it. hehehe

    Zhur

    PS. Good catch
    I am very sure Guns will be receiving a call from BATFE fairly soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop746 View Post
    I love picking on gun mags.

    Nothing like browsing through eight pages of advertisments for a particular gun manufacturer and then reading the "unbiased review".

    Even after reading the ATF regulation I still dont see what a vertical foregrip would do to change the concealibilty of a firearm or change its function. But this is the ATF.

    "Always Think Forfeiture"
    The BATFE reasoning is explained in the letter I linked in my response to Guns. I don't agree with it, but the law is the law.
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    Do you really think there is actually anyone who is not familiar with that law?

    I would be interested to know how they respond though I wouldn't hold my breath that they would publish your letter. They would more likely just bury a retraction/disclaimer somewhere in a subsequent issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyatt View Post
    I would be interested to know how they respond though I wouldn't hold my breath that they would publish your letter. They would more likely just bury a retraction/disclaimer somwhere in a subsequent issue.
    I'm sure they won't run my little note. I was just trying to help them out, since we all work in the same industry.

    Agreed on the buried disclaimer, which will appear approximately three months from now.
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    Heh heh, we just had an attorney who handles firearms cases stop by Galco. One of our sales guys showed him the magazine. The lawyer's response:

    "Oh my! Well, that may be my next case!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyatt View Post
    I would be interested to know how they respond though I wouldn't hold my breath that they would publish your letter. They would more likely just bury a retraction/disclaimer somewhere in a subsequent issue.
    I'm betting they say it isn't their photo...still..they should have put a disclaimer on the photo...

    The photo is on the GUNS website also.

    http://www.gunsmagazine.com/F1.html
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    kel.jpg

    Can you say "TACTICAL"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyatt View Post
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    Can you say "TACTICAL"?
    No, but I can say mall ninja!
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    speaking of.... where is FiveHourFrenzy lately?

    I'd like to see the look on the publishers face the day he gets the call from the ATF. Now THAT would make a good cover for next months magazines hehehe.

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    I guess the "young mall ninja" comments got to him.

    Found great safety glasses for us 4 eyes!
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    Got a reply from the editor. They're running a retraction.
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    The World Wide Web: Giving instant respectability to uninformed opinion...
    Perhaps you should add gun magazines to that.
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    Move along folks... Nothing to see here... Its just a barrel weight.... to help with the recoil...

    Man, I should have been a lawyer, or a politician!
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    I would caution everyone to also be extremely wary of any ballistics recommendations one reads in gun magazines; specifically the special handload recipes. Actually almost any recommendation from a gun mag is highly suspect. Mike's revelation of their gaff shown here is typical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn View Post
    I guess the "young mall ninja" comments got to him.

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    I guess so...but we all saw it coming.
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    ...damn...

    I get a new job, and now I'm missing all the fun.

    I just want a pair of those RayBans "Mac" wears on Future Weapons...

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    There was one listed on gunbroker with a VFG:

    http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=104903213

    Looks like someone told him about the grip, it was a 5 day auction, but ended after 1 day.

    relisted, with the grip photoshopped out:

    http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=105009198
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