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    HardLivin is offline Junior Member
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    I had a chance to go by the gun shop over lunch today. They actually had a PF9 and P3AT. Man, was I wrong about the similarity in size. I even looked at Mike's thread on his PF9 and P3AT and thought that there wasn't as much difference in size as there really is.

    My sole purpose for this gun is to conceal in my clothing for SD. Nothing more.

    So... I bought the P3AT. It's small in my hands but I was able to conceal it in every pocket of my pants and easily access it. If positioned just right, some people could probably conceal this gun in a speedo. If this thing shoots good it will serve its purpose well.

    The PF9, larger and more powerful, did not conceal as well and was work getting out of some of my pockets. It just didn't meet my concealability requirements as well as the P3AT.

    Sticker price was $369 however I was able to purchase for $300 OTD. A little higher than some online prices but once you factor in shipping and FFL transfer fees, the difference was neglible.

    Thanks for everybody's input.

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    Congrats on the new heater. You might look at ktog.org for directions on how to do a "fluff&buff", which might help to make your new pistol run better.

    I didn't do a full F&B to mine. I just cleaned/lubed it properly, and polished the feed ramp w/a Dremel. Works 100%.

    PhilR.

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    PhilR. -- Thanks for your comments. They helped me reconsider my decision. Also, thanks for the post-purchase suggestions. I will definitely look into them. You are so right about the difference in size.

    MikeB. -- Thanks for your thread on a comparison of the PF9 and P3AT. It really helped.

    Everybody Else -- Thanks for your comments and opinions.

    The PF9 isn't real pretty and the P3AT is even uglier. But you HAVE to consider the purpose of the pistol.

    I explained to my wife why I have so many fishing poles years ago. Each one (or group of poles) has a special purpose, like tools. Now I'm in the same boat with hand guns. I may have to go back and buy another P3AT tomorrow. Neither of us have shot it yet but she loves the size.

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    Kahr PM9, CW9 and/or P9

    Yes, they are a little pricey, but give it some thought. How much is your life worth to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardLivin View Post
    Now I'm in the same boat with hand guns. I may have to go back and buy another P3AT tomorrow. Neither of us have shot it yet but she loves the size.
    You should really let her shoot yours before you buy another one. It wouldn't surprise me if she ends up disliking the recoil. Even though the caliber isn't powerful, you do get a bit of a thump because the pistol is so light. My wife handles all of our 9mm's, and even shoots the .357 on occasion. She does not like to shoot my P3AT.

    One last thing - when you strip the pistol, be on the lookout for the disappearing ejector. The ejector is a small separate piece that will fall out of the frame if you turn the stripped pistol upside down. It's so small that people have not even noticed that it was missing when the put the pistol back together, and then they can't figure out why it won't eject empties properly.

    PhilR.

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    If the wife dislikes the fairly brisk recoil of the P3AT, consider the P32. Not as powerful, obviously, but it's a relative popgun in terms of recoil. I carried one before the P3AT came out and liked it a great deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilR. View Post
    You should really let her shoot yours before you buy another one. It wouldn't surprise me if she ends up disliking the recoil. Even though the caliber isn't powerful, you do get a bit of a thump because the pistol is so light. My wife handles all of our 9mm's, and even shoots the .357 on occasion. She does not like to shoot my P3AT.

    PhilR.
    You bring up a great point and it is definitely worth thinking about. If anyone finds themselves in a position that they have to shoot, does it really matter if they "like" shooting what they are carrying. I think that I will not shoot what I don't like shooting as well as I shoot what I do like shooting. I may like shooting my XD45 better than the P3AT but I can't conceal it as well. But if I have to shoot it, I'm going to whether I like shooting it or not. I'm learning that each gun is going to have its tradeoffs.

    However, I think I or anyone had better be able to shoot what they are carrying well enough for it to be viable in self-defense. Otherwise, it becomes a danger to themselves and possibly others. So if we don't like shooting what we are carrying are we going to suck it up and practice shooting it enough anyway so that it does become viable in SD?

    I just have to be cognizant of what I'm sacrificing when I carry what I carry and so will she.

    Again, good point.

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    I don't "enjoy" shooting my P-3AT at all...

    That said, I sure as he__ don't shoot it for enjoyment.

    Can I shoot it well? Yes, very well. It's tiny. It has rough edges. It jumps around in your grip. It barks fire. It blasts fire from the ejection port. It only holds 6 rounds. It's a d@mn Sh__y range gun...

    But at arms-length to 20 ft, in a pinch... It's damn perfect.

    XD45 4" = Fantastic shooting range gun (GREAT SD gun with the right clothes, or on the night stand)

    P-3AT = Crappy range gun... (Great SD gun for your right front pocket in shorts, flip-flops, and a tank-top on a sunny Sunday... like today.)

    JW

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardLivin View Post
    So if we don't like shooting what we are carrying are we going to suck it up and practice shooting it enough anyway so that it does become viable in SD?
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    Yes, but only to an extent for some. My wife doesn't like shooting her 642 either, but she does shoot it because it is her ccw. If all we had was a P3AT to shoot, she wouldn't.

    I, on the other hand, will have fun shooting just about anything that won't give me a hernia when I lift it.....

    PhilR.

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