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    Kahr P9 vs Walther PPS

    I apologize if this has been kicked around recently. I tried to do a search several times but nothing comes up. It keeps telling me the wording is too short. Oh Well!

    Anyway, I normally carry a Colt Pony Pocketlite .380 but I'm having some problems with it, as it started acting up on me at the range a few weeks ago. Now, I've decided to go to a 9mm. My S&W Lady Smith is too big, as I live in an always, warm to very hot area (Henderson, Nevada) and I almost always carry in my front pocket, using a DeSantis Pocket Holster. As a result, I am temporarily carrying a Kel-Tec 9mm. In truth it's not a bad weapon, but I cannot stand the trigger pull!

    I have been looking at the Kahr P9 and the Walter PPS in 9mm. I really like both of them. They both carry well in my front pocket with very minimal, if any print. One day, I'm going to buy the Kahr and the next it's the Walter! If by chance, anyone out there has experience with both, I will truly appreciate your thoughts and recommendations. Of course, I will appreciate any and all input from those of you who have experience with either one or the other!

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    Don't really have any experiences with either of the two you're considering............but I do have a little with the HK P7 and you may want to consider it. The picture shows a comparison in size to the PPS. When I first saw this I was a little supprised as I thought the PPS was much smaller than the P7. The P7 is thin (but all steel and heavier) and it shoots real good. Just throwing it our there.


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    I've held the PPS, and WOW what a good gun! I think the fit is awesome. That being said, there are some reliability issues with that right now. It seems that all of Walther's newer pistols have gone through that phase as well. Might want to wait until later in the year, once Walther has fixed everything.

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    Walthers always have teething problems, but once they're straightened out, they're fine guns. I saw a PPS in person for the first time today. Looks totally different than pictures. It's so incredibly thin...I'd like to shoot one and see how they feel.

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    I don't have any experience with Walther but I do with the Kahrs. I own a Kahr CW9 which is built around the P9 platform. The slide is not as fancy and the barrel is standard rifling instead of polygonal. Other than that they are nearly identical (MIM slide stop instead of machined). The CW has been an awesome pistol, flawless since day one. My dad carries the smaller PM9 in his pocket and loves it. The CW series is considerably cheaper than the P series as well (about $400-$425 new with 1 mag). I would not hestitate to get another Kahr.

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    Thanks for the input so far. Dam this is going to be a tough one!

    I appreciate the H&K suggestion, however, I simply cannot get use to the squeeze cocker system they use, or whatever it's called. I really do not like it!

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    I am a Walther fan in a big way, but I would wait a while before buying a PPS. I've read of more than a few issues with it, but I'm confident that Walther will eventually work the bugs out (if there really are some in the first place).

    Of your two choices, I would have no problem with the Kahr. I've used several and own a PM9, and like them a lot. Personally though, I would go for the CW9 suggested above. They shoot really well, and only cost about $400. A lot lighter in weight than a metal Kahr too.

    If you can wait a bit, I think that Taurus is coming out with new slim 9mm's as well....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilR. View Post
    I am a Walther fan in a big way, but I would wait a while before buying a PPS. I've read of more than a few issues with it, but I'm confident that Walther will eventually work the bugs out (if there really are some in the first place).

    Of your two choices, I would have no problem with the Kahr. I've used several and own a PM9, and like them a lot. Personally though, I would go for the CW9 suggested above. They shoot really well, and only cost about $400. A lot lighter in weight than a metal Kahr too.

    If you can wait a bit, I think that Taurus is coming out with new slim 9mm's as well....

    PhilR.
    Thanks for mentioning that. Now that you reminded me, I do recall hearing some talk about that back in February or early March. I have had several Taurus models and never had a problem with any of them!

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    I agree with Charlie P7s are splendid subcompact weapons. However, you will be coughing up over $1,000 for one.

    Between the PPS and P9, I'd pick the Kahr.

    I don't feel comfortable the PPS' 'quicksafe' safety design. It relies on the backstrap being in place in order to fire. The backstrap is held in place by an exposed plastic claw latch at the back of the magwell. The gun design is too new to say whether the latch could fail after a lot of rough reloads.

    Kahr weighs less and has stainless slide vs tennifer.

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    I just bought a CW9 less than two weeks ago and took it to the range for the 200 round break in Kahr recommends for all their pistols. I shot 170 rounds in one session, a mix of UMC, Remington Green Box, SXTs, and Hydra-shoks. No failures of any kind gun related (had 4 fail to fire with the Green Box, but all four had really good primer strikes). This one is going to get a lot of carry time. Also very easy to take down for cleaning. great fit and finish.

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    I have the P9 and like it a lot. It is extremely slim and very concealable. Too big for me to carry in a pocket, though. I got an Andrews IWB holster and the combo works well. The Kahr has a nice trigger - long pull, but crisp break. My wife's P99 feels mushy. But I can't comment on the PPS.

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    Well I went and done it! I finally made up my mind for this purchase. I decided on the Kahr P9 - two tone - with Novak Tritium Night Sights. I had decided on a Kahr a couple of days ago, but then I was debating on the CW9 vs the P9 because of the considerable difference in price. Basically the CW9 and the P9 are very much the same gun, with only a few differences. I do not recall specifically which parts, however, there are two or three parts on the CW9 that are made of plastic vs being made of steel on the P9. Also, the barrel on the CW9 has standard lands & grooves, while the barrel on the P9 is polygonal. However, the major reasons, for me, are the P9 comes with two magazines vs one with the CW9 and can be ordered with the night sights, where the CW9 cannot!

    I ended up ordering and paying for the gun today. Retail on this piece, with the night sights, is $857.00. I ended up paying $730.00. Their price for a CW9 is $408.00 which is dam good in my opinion, and I may still pick up one of them as well. I should have it in about 10 days.
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    I had some time to kill at a gun show today - and I looked at a PPS and the Kars. Personally - I don't care for teh feel of the grip on the PPS. The Kahr's feel is very nice. BUt the trigger on the Kahrs ain't the greatest (but probably better than the Keltec trigger).

    However, I have read so many negatives about Kahr performance, however, that I don't know that I would roll the dice and chance buying one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shipwreck View Post
    I had some time to kill at a gun show today - and I looked at a PPS and the Kars. Personally - I don't care for teh feel of the grip on the PPS. The Kahr's feel is very nice. BUt the trigger on the Kahrs ain't the greatest (but probably better than the Keltec trigger).

    However, I have read so many negatives about Kahr performance, however, that I don't know that I would roll the dice and chance buying one.



    Since you are the only one to mention that you've read, so many negatives about the Kahr's performance, Would you be kind enough to explain and also, point me to the articles that you've read so many of!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyFlake View Post
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    Since you are the only one to mention that you've read, so many negatives about the Kahr's performance, Would you be kind enough to explain and also, point me to the articles that you've read so many of!
    I don't have links to them all. SOrry. I just know that over the past 12 months or so, I have read an above avg # of Kahr owners with the small polymer frames guns having numerous issues with the guns - be it feeding problems or issues with the frames. All I can tell you, as I'm not interested in spending an hour trying to find all these threads again.

    Now, I really am not familiar with the letters for the Kahr models - be it the polymer framed models or the metal framed models. But, I did like the size of the smalest 9mm Kahr more than I cared for the PPS.

    However - I'd have some pause on buying one aftrer reading what I've read. Seems like a crap shoot. However, saying that, I wouldn't mind one.

    WIth a 9mm that size, however, one must realize that it probably isn't a comfortable gun to shoot - so it wouldn't be a real range gun (like a larger framed 9mm might be). Probably not a gun that would feel good to go put 200 rounds + thru in 1 session.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyFlake View Post
    [/B]

    Since you are the only one to mention that you've read, so many negatives about the Kahr's performance, Would you be kind enough to explain and also, point me to the articles that you've read so many of!
    Where one reads of these things are not actually articles, but are instead owner's experiences posted on this and similar forums. You can search for yourself at the following:
    Glocktalk
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    AR15.com
    Thehighroad.org
    firearmstalk.com
    and, of course, here....

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    It's pretty commonly accepted that the polymer Kahrs are more prone to trouble than their steel-framed brothers.
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    Just bought a CW9 and have been very pleased with it. About 500 rounds through it already. The only issue I've had is a failure of the slide locking back at the end of the mag. All 500 rounds fed correctly and all fired. Just make sure you use the slide release on the initial round.

    I did a lot of of research prior to my purchase and read a lot of criticism. Most of it seemed to be on older models. Folks I have talked IN PERSON have all been very pleased with Kahr. Now, I count myself as one of them. I'm certainly not an expert like Mike and others here, but I couldn't be happier with the purchase. Price, size, and function are all great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmer Gantry View Post
    Just bought a CW9 and have been very pleased with it. About 500 rounds through it already. The only issue I've had is a failure of the slide locking back at the end of the mag. All 500 rounds fed correctly and all fired. Just make sure you use the slide release on the initial round.

    I did a lot of of research prior to my purchase and read a lot of criticism. Most of it seemed to be on older models. Folks I have talked IN PERSON have all been very pleased with Kahr. Now, I count myself as one of them. I'm certainly not an expert like Mike and others here, but I couldn't be happier with the purchase. Price, size, and function are all great.
    I appreciate your comments! I will soon be finding out for myself, as per my earlier post, I have placed an order for a P9 with Night Sights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmer Gantry View Post
    Just bought a CW9 and have been very pleased with it. About 500 rounds through it already. The only issue I've had is a failure of the slide locking back at the end of the mag. All 500 rounds fed correctly and all fired. Just make sure you use the slide release on the initial round.

    I did a lot of of research prior to my purchase and read a lot of criticism. Most of it seemed to be on older models. Folks I have talked IN PERSON have all been very pleased with Kahr. Now, I count myself as one of them. I'm certainly not an expert like Mike and others here, but I couldn't be happier with the purchase. Price, size, and function are all great.
    Over the past two months, two friends have purchased the same handgun after some extensive shopping of the local gun stores. Both examples have functioned perfectly from the very first round, and both owners are quite happy that I mentioned this pistol. Both owners plan to cc their handguns.

    Although I did have some initial problems with my PM9, it runs 100% now and I do cc mine. The PM series seesm to be somewhat problematic, but it seems that the CW series are very reliable. I would have a CW9 right now if I didn't already have the PM, but I am glad that I have the PM. I'm amazed at how much firepower you can pack into such a small package....

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