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  1. 05-04-2008, 09:34 AM #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    No matter how "incorrect" your technique (according to someone else's standard), if it's effective in stopping the fight you have suddenly found yourself in, then it turns out to be beneficial.
    If a technique works, is it actually "incorrect?" Maybe it's just a semantic argument.

    Mike: Has the Army gone back to teaching one-shot-at-a-time marksmanship? Last I looked, it hadn't.
    The Army is currently emphasizing an avoidance of collateral damage, but is only taking a slightly different approach than it did when I was in the first time (early '90s).

    The rifle qual course is similar, with 40 rounds fired at pop-up targets from 75 to 300 meters. The only difference is now 10 rounds are fired from kneeling rather than all prone. Emphasis is on single hits - you get 40 rounds for 40 target exposures. You qualify with both the Aimpoint and the backup iron sights.

    There is also a "quick kill" course fired at short ranges (under 25 meters), starting at Low Ready. This involves fast pairs fired from standing, with pivots from left and right.

    Machinegun quals are the same as they always have been: unrealistic.

    The Army does not emphasize long range marksmanship like the Marine Corps does, unless one is a squad designated marksman or a sniper. SDMs get ACOGs and a special class on longer-range shooting, which I think goes out to 500 meters. I'm okay with the emphasis on shorter-range shooting, since the vast majority of real-world enemy contacts occur under 100 meters. I think 500 meter shooting with an M4 for the average trooper would be a waste of training time.

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  3. 05-04-2008, 03:09 PM #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    If a technique works, is it actually "incorrect?" Maybe it's just a semantic argument...
    Agreed!
    Since I harp so much on practice, an expert on another forum gets on my case about having to make sure to "practice the correct techniques, not the 'wrong' ones."
    I half-way agree with her, in that practicing the "correct techniques" leads one closer to mastery and effective skill application. However, on this forum (where I don't have to argue with her), I will maintain that mere practice, if well-intentioned and practical, is, in and of itself, a good thing regardless of "correct technique" or "wrong" ones.
    Practice, per se, can't be bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    ...I think 500 meter shooting with an M4 for the average trooper would be a waste of training time...
    I agree. In fact, I think that it's a waste of time for even the good shooters.
    The .223 is a close-range, carbine-type weapon. It is not a rifle, in the accepted tactical sense of the word.
    Thanks for the information, Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve M1911A1 View Post
    The .223 is a close-range, carbine-type weapon. It is not a rifle, in the accepted tactical sense of the word.
    Agreed. I tend to think of the M4 more as a big pistol rather than a rifle.

    Regarding the correctness or incorrectness of a particular technique, it is of course highly subjective and varies from school of thought to school of thought. As one example, Chuck Taylor taught me the "correct" Weaver, but now I shoot from Modern Isosceles. But this Mod Iso is not the same as the "correct" Isosceles I learned from Mas Ayoob.

    Whatever works to get the hits needed in the time frame allowed is "correct." Some ways may be more efficient than others, but pistolcraft is an evolving art, and we discover newer, more "correct" things as we go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    ...Whatever works to get the hits needed in the time frame allowed is "correct." Some ways may be more efficient than others, but pistolcraft is an evolving art, and we discover newer, more "correct" things as we go.
    Well said.
    We agree completely.
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