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    Polymer Frame or Steel Frame??

    I'm in the market to buy a new handgun. I'm definately going with a .45 however through all the reviews, and research i've looked at, still can't decide on wich one to go with. I'm considering either a HK45 (perhaps a USP depending on availability) or a Kimber 1911 Custom.

    Anyone's replies based off of personal or theoretical knowledge would be great!

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    Personally if I were to just buy a range gun in .45 I would buy a metal framed gun. No reason to get the lighter polymer if it's just a range gun IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeefyBeefo View Post
    Personally if I were to just buy a range gun in .45 I would buy a metal framed gun. No reason to get the lighter polymer if it's just a range gun IMO.
    Thanks for the opinion. However it may not be JUST a range gun. I just got done doing my concealed handguns license...actually looked it up 30 minutes ago....and it's still "processing". So I do plan on carrying it allot.

    Would this matter to you at all?

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    Then I would personally go polymer. It seems as though our taste is a little different as well though, because if I was going to have a gun that I carried all the time it would be an XD or a Glock. I would rather buy a polymer carry gun to beat up a little bit and save for that Kimber primarily as a range gun. That's just me though, there are many that would and do disagree with that, but that's just how I look at it

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    Well I don't really fancy the Glocks. I know they are great guns. And probably one of the most reliable on the market. But for some odd reason that I can't explain, they just don't fit me.

    However, I am interested to hear the reason (or reasons) why you personally don't prefer the HK's. Maybe you can give me some knowledge on the pro's and the con's.

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    I handled two new HK .45 pistols just yesterday, and was utterly unimpressed. Thick and clunky, bore axis somewhere up around high earth orbit, and lousy triggers. But of course gun fit is a personal thing.

    At the same time, I handled Bill King's (Old Padawan here on HGF) Robar/Colt 1911. There is simply no comparison between a good, slick 1911 and one of the clunky HKs. I'd pass on the Kimber and get an S&W or Springfield pistol in that general price point, though, since I have known too many people who have had reliability problems with Kimber 1911s.
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    you can always look into a happy medium between steel and plastic.Sig has some nice aluminum framed 45's and Kimber has their Aluminum framed 1911's too.

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    Flame me if you must but I prefer polymer for all purposes. Anyone who has read any of my post surely knows how much I love my Compact XD45 (4" Barrel). I keep it at home for HD and will carry it when I get my CCWL but I even enjoy shooting it at the range over any 1911 I have ever shot. I admit I haven't shot many 1911's but can say I prefer my XD to my buddy's Taurus 1911 and another buddy's Kimber TLE 1911.

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

    I don't know anything about the HK 45's but I can say the wifes HK P30 is pretty sweet. The trigger reset on her HK is long but as a novice that is the only thing I would change if I could.

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    I went through all this a few years back and I finally settled on a S&W SC-PD commander model. With a good holster and gun belt it carries very well. Its weight is 27oz mty.


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    My reasons are pretty much the same as Mike. I don't like the feel of them at all. They feel bulky to me and don't fit my hands right. But, as he said the feel is personal preference. This all goes without even mentioning the price of HKs! I have two XD's for the price of that HK or could have many other combinations for the cost of that gun. There are many people that love their HKs, I'm just stating my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    I handled two new HK .45 pistols just yesterday, and was utterly unimpressed. Thick and clunky, bore axis somewhere up around high earth orbit, and lousy triggers. But of course gun fit is a personal thing.

    At the same time, I handled Bill King's (Old Padawan here on HGF) Robar/Colt 1911. There is simply no comparison between a good, slick 1911 and one of the clunky HKs. I'd pass on the Kimber and get an S&W or Springfield pistol in that general price point, though, since I have known too many people who have had reliability problems with Kimber 1911s.
    Are you sure it was ah HK45 and NOT a USP? Because the HK45 is really comfortable and ergonomic, and it uses the match trigger from the USP series which is great. The trigger is very crisp. Your description doesn't seem accurate. If so then all I can say is wow, because every single person I know who has held an HK45 and/or fired it has either bought one or wanted to buy one.


    It looked like this here?



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    Yeah, that one and the "compact" version, too. I thought they both just completely sucked. But hey, if you like 'em, great. That's why we have different gun designs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    Yeah, that one and the "compact" version, too. I thought they both just completely sucked. But hey, if you like 'em, great. That's why we have different gun designs.
    Just wow is all, never met someone who didn't like em. If you get to actually fire the full sized HK45 I bet you'll like it. Honestly, there's like 0 felt recoil. But no matter. There's a first time for everything, and this is a first for me...actually hearing someone say they didn't like this particular gun.

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    I have no real interest in shooting it, to be honest, after examining it yesterday. I have enough experience to know what kinds of guns I like based on things like grip shape, trigger action and bore axis.

    I don't think .45ACP kicks much in any gun, but it makes no difference to me since I don't carry .45s anymore. The only .45 I ever even shoot is my old Commander, a gift from my father, and I only drag that out maybe once a year (on Memorial Day).

    I'll stick with my Glocks for fighting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dredd View Post
    Just wow is all, never met someone who didn't like em.
    Well now you've met two

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeefyBeefo View Post
    Well now you've met two

    -Jeff-
    Ever heard the expression don't knock it until you're tried it?

    Applies to guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dredd View Post
    Ever heard the expression don't knock it until you're tried it?

    Applies to guns.
    Why would I even bother trying it when I don't like the feel of it? That doesn't make any sense to me what so ever. It doesn't matter to me how the gun shoots, if it doesn't feel comfortable in my hands then there's no reason to go past that point. How it shoots is not magically going to make it feel better and more comfortable in my hand.

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    I work with guns for a living. I've shot more than enough different guns to know which design elements I like and which I don't. The HKs I handled had all the "features" I dislike and none of those I like.

    Not saying they're necessarily bad guns - I'm sure they're accurate, reliable, etc. I just found them rather crude, bulky, and clumsy to operate. It was pretty clear to me they were not designed by actual shooters. The mileage of others may (and does) vary, which is okay with me. I am sure Galco will sell plenty of holsters for them.
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    I have been a metal gun fan forever but a while ago I thought that a plastic gun might be something different..Well I was thinking about a Glock but after handling one it was no go..Next to it in the case was a Sigma so I had to handle that and found that it felt great in hand..Well it followed me home.I like it but it does have a heavy trigger pull..Working on fixing that but that is another story..
    There is now a great plastic gun on the market in all the calibers and sizes,it is the M&P by Smith & Wesson..It feels great in hand and shoots great also..Even cast bullets with no problems..Different size bachstraps to fit many hands and decent sights out of the box..
    Check it out,you might be surprised..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    I work with guns for a living. I've shot more than enough different guns to know which design elements I like and which I don't. The HKs I handled had all the "features" I dislike and none of those I like.

    Not saying they're necessarily bad guns - I'm sure they're accurate, reliable, etc. I just found them rather crude, bulky, and clumsy to operate. It was pretty clear to me they were not designed by actual shooters. The mileage of others may (and does) vary, which is okay with me. I am sure Galco will sell plenty of holsters for them.
    The HK45 was in fact designed with the help of actual shooters. Larry Vickers had an instrumental role in the development of the HK45 among other goodies from HK in recent years.

    No matter, thought I'd throw my opinion on the HK45 out there as it's a super reliable gun that shoots any ammo I've been able to throw in it. There's a running blog where someone is trying to shoot their Hk45 until it breaks. So far he's up to 5420 rounds and no issues. It was one of the original considerations of the OP as well so...

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