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    Whats wrong with .40S&W?

    I've seen a few posts mentioning a general disdain for .40 cal? Shipwreck is one who has mentioned it. Any particular reason why folks? My wife has her P345 but I was looking toward something a little lighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rahlquist View Post
    I've seen a few posts mentioning a general disdain for .40 cal? Shipwreck is one who has mentioned it. Any particular reason why folks? My wife has her P345 but I was looking toward something a little lighter.
    Some people think the recoil of the 40SW is harsh. They should try those .380 or 9mm plastic pocket pistols.

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    .40SW recoil is too much for a round that isn't a true .45

    Not only that, but you're fixing a problem that doesn't exist. You have 9mm which travels at upwards of 1200fps. Then you have .45 which is around 850fps. The .40 sits between this but doesn't have the size of the .45 or the velocity of the 9mm. So it's IMO a waste.

    Also, you have a number of reported kabooms with .40 chambered pistols. The round is packed hot so that there is a chance for it to blow up in the chamber. Also, the .40 was evolved from the 10mm which is a very high powered round. The 10mm was too much to handle so the .40 was basically a slimed down version of it that can fit into a gun that is the same size of a 9mm. The 10mm required a larger firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dredd View Post
    You have 9mm which travels at upwards of 1200fps. Then you have .45 which is around 850fps. The .40 sits between this but doesn't have the size of the .45 or the velocity of the 9mm. So it's IMO a waste.
    So youre saying if a person wants more stopping power than a 9mm then a .45acp is the next logical choice and ignore the .40S&W in your opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rahlquist View Post
    So youre saying if a person wants more stopping power than a 9mm then a .45acp is the next logical choice and ignore the .40S&W in your opinion?
    I did, we got a 9mm for my wife and a 45 for me. I personally don't see any reason to consider 40cal. It DOES split the differences of 9 and 45 down the middle but why? Why do we need it to? I don't know.

    I like that the 9mm is cheaper to shoot and a little easier to conceal, and I like the idea of defending my home with .45acp. The 45 is a blast at the range too but so expensive.

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    In my opinion the .40 is the best of the three.

    You can use 1200 fps 155 grain rounds or 200 grain 950 fps rounds.

    The .40 produces more energy than either 9MM or .45

    You have to use +P+ 9 or 45 to come close.

    The .40 is a modern round designed based on modern powders and bullets.

    9MM and .45 are both 100 year old designs.

    If you want .45 or 9MM performance just load .40 to a wimp or double wimp level.

    Bring on the torches.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TOF View Post
    In my opinion the .40 is the best of the three.
    Ok if thats the case whats you preferred gun for handling this modern ammo?

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    Nothing wrong with .40, and it is certainly a useful round. It is more powerful than 9mm but fits in compact guns with a 9mm cycle length, which is something that can't be done with .45ACP. The allows smaller guns with smaller grips - easier to conceal and easier to use for smaller-handed shooters.

    9mm is fine for defense, but some people prefer more horsepower. .40 is a logical chocie for them, especially if they want a 9mm-sized pistol rather than a .45-sized pistol. .40 has turned in excellent results in both gelatin testing and actual shootings.

    "Ka-Booms" have been an issue in only a very, very tiny minority of pistols.

    It kicks more than 9mm, but isn't at all difficult to control by a shooter who knows how to manage a pistol, unless we're talking about miniature pocket pistols. I have attached a pic of me shooting a Glock 23 with full-charge .40 ammo, pistol in full recoil. Anyone who thinks .40 is horribly difficult to control in reasonably sized pistols needs to shoot more or get some training.
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    I like the 40. The 40 is more of a snap and the 45 is more of a push, is how I discribe their respective recoil. 9mm is the easiest of the applicable self defence rounds, but I get bored with it easily sometimes. I can shoot the 40 pretty accurately, and at $4 less per box of WWB than 45, I can shoot it more.

    I really like the 45, but haven't shot mine in about six months. At $31/ 100, I find myself going the 40 or 9mm route more often than not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan View Post
    I like the 40. The 40 is more of a snap and the 45 is more of a push, is how I discribe their respective recoil. 9mm is the easiest of the applicable self defence rounds, but I get bored with it easily sometimes. I can shoot the 40 pretty accurately, and at $4 less per box of WWB than 45, I can shoot it more.
    You still swearing by your Steyr M40-A1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rahlquist View Post
    You still swearing by your Steyr M40-A1?
    So far so good. I've shot 600 rounds though it and it hasn't given me any issues yet. I know it's not a ton of rounds by any means, but it's a good start. I am looking forward to shooting it more but I blew through my last 250 rounds of 40 through my USPc.

    A couple of my better targets from this weekend, both from a standing position and non-supported:

    1) From 7 yards. 3 mags/ 36 rounds...


    2) From 50 feet. This was my best of the grouping from this distance. Less than 1"!!! I couldn't believe it. Not typical for me . One of the other four targets on the page had a bullseye, too.


    Next time I get some 40 ammo I will take the Steyr out again and try to duplicate the results. Here is a target I kept from 7 yards and a rest.


    Don't get me wrong, the HK is definitely more sturdily built, but for under $400 the Steyr is almost half the price. The trap sights are way cool, too. Great gun for the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOF View Post
    In my opinion the .40 is the best of the three.

    You can use 1200 fps 155 grain rounds or 200 grain 950 fps rounds.

    The .40 produces more energy than either 9MM or .45

    You have to use +P+ 9 or 45 to come close.

    The .40 is a modern round designed based on modern powders and bullets.

    9MM and .45 are both 100 year old designs.



    That's my thoughts on it too..

    +1

    Why try to push a 147gr through a 9mm for more stopping power or a light weight bullet through a 45acp designed for low pressure rounds,for higher velocity,when you can get it done with a 40S&W?

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    Just Because......I like the .45ACP! It is a lot easier than I thought it would be to shoot and it makes BIG HOLES Never shot a .40 but I'm thinkin it ain't as bad as a .357....or am I wrong?????

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    The only "issue" I've noticed with the Steyr, is when I fill the mag to maximum capacity (12), the slide can be stubborn to load the first round. Not sure why, and it can be racked, it just takes more force than if the mag only had 11 rounds in it.

    But, with my experiences with the gun, I'd put it in my nighstand for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan View Post
    But, with my experiences with the gun, I'd put it in my nighstand for sure.
    How about CCW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmaske View Post
    Just Because......I like the .45ACP! It is a lot easier than I thought it would be to shoot and it makes BIG HOLES Never shot a .40 but I'm thinkin it ain't as bad as a .357....or am I wrong?????
    The 357sig is a little firecracker and has quite a bit of snap, IMO. Much more than the 40. Admittedly, I've only shot two 357sig pistols, and they were both Glock 31s. My G31 is ported and helps a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rahlquist View Post
    Ok if thats the case whats you preferred gun for handling this modern ammo?

    M&P40

    2nd choice XD40

    M&P fits my hand better

    Some one mentioned the .357. I haven't used a .357 Sig but do have a GP100 4" .357 Mag.

    The GP100 kicks much harder than the .40 if using full power loads.





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    I only chose to dump the 40, to eliminate one caliber. I've owned and Glock 23C, and a Kahr PM40. The 40 is a good round, butNASTY in the paocket-size Kahr. That said, I'm all 9mm and 45 ACP now ('cept for my Keltec).

    Personally, for small guns, 9mm is plenty of power, and more controlable. In a full size frame, nobody has proven to me that there is ANYTHING better than a 45ACP. For accuracy, or stopping power.

    I plink with my 22 Buckmark, and my two 9mms. Mine and Carla's. Cheaper.

    I carry at LEAST the Kel Tec. (Pocket gun)
    Most often, the 9mm XDSC. (IWB/OWB Shirt-Hem Concealed)
    When possible, the XD45. (Jacket OWB Concealed)

    I've yet to find ANY 1911 more accurate than my personal 4" XD45. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rahlquist View Post
    How about CCW?
    Sure.

    Too bad you don't live closer to me or I'd let you shoot the hell out of mine to decide for yourself. It's not a very accessible gun, unfortunately. I took a shot in the dark with it after reading the trails-and-tribulations on Steyrclub.com. They come in 9mm and 357sig (though very rare in 357S) also.

    If you have any more questions or want me to take some detailed photos of it together or apart, let me know.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TOF View Post
    In my opinion the .40 is the best of the three.

    You can use 1200 fps 155 grain rounds or 200 grain 950 fps rounds.

    The .40 produces more energy than either 9MM or .45

    You have to use +P+ 9 or 45 to come close.

    The .40 is a modern round designed based on modern powders and bullets.

    9MM and .45 are both 100 year old designs.

    If you want .45 or 9MM performance just load .40 to a wimp or double wimp level.

    Bring on the torches.

    i can agree the 40 is the best of the 3 however i think the 10mm and the 357 sig are far superior calibers to all three. if i wanted the full power auto i would go 10mm and if i wanted to go lighter it would be the 357 sig. IMO the 9mm is a joke of a round for anything but plinking and paper punching. and the 45acp is a bit of the old school that has been outdated and upgraded but there are too many die hards for it to go away.

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