This thread needs to be locked down, if not deleted.
Promotes illegal activity, minimally, posession of contraband, prosecutable under UCMJ.
Ditto on being shut down I think we've all been had (at least for a little while)
the armsroom guys was so nice.I'll take one of those and one of these oh and please fill out a request tomorrow for a hi-point please this M-9 just doesn't fit my hands
Okay, I think I may need to address some issues and clarify some problems here.
First, at NO TIME when I was in Iraq did I have a personal side arm. I was with 2-43 108th (2005-2006). 2-43 is now part of another brigade (32nd) and I am now in the Army Reserve. I was issued an m4 and a m9 which as I described was junk. While in OIF I did indeed see m11s being used (Marine Corps) and SF. Some other soldiers at the fire base I spent most of my time stationed at had personal side arms...one guy had a huge honkin' blackhawk-style revolver. I never heard of any of those soldiers getting in trouble. They did not flaunt them, but did not seem to have any problems.
Now in my reserve unit, we have just started planning for deployment prep to go to Iraq this fall. One of these briefings included a weapons review, as this unit is very, very light on sidearms (none) Saws (2 in the battery) and have no crew served weapons. I raised the point of IF we would get sidearms, and was told 'no', I specifically asked if we would be allowed to bring our own. I was told that was up to Brigade, and the answer was probably yes, but to make sure I got something 9mm, or .45 but that an ammo supply would be questionable but some units still have access to the .45 round in country so it would not be a big problem.
I am looking for a hand gun that I can keep for fun and range shooting, but IF ALLOWED would be usable on deployment. I do not know what exact regs would apply, I am only going off what I have been told! I know the general orders, but we were allowed to buy our own body armor not that long ago weren't we? I was allowed to buy my own plate carrier and I think most chains still allow even that!
On the basis of that 'if allowed' I (as I said) would not like a XD unless I got it ONLY for range shooting, unless I get a chance to actually fire one since (as I said) the only one I've handled (a 9mm w/4" barrel)
As I admitted, I do not know anything about hi-points other than what the pushy sales guys have told me...I have seen one but they would not allow me to handle it as it was 'sold'.
I did look at a Glock 21 today (not the SF version) and it fit my hand ok, but I still think I'd need a grip to make it more comfortable and a better grip.
As to being some online fantasy player, I do NOT belong to any of these 'Google' forums...I belong to two other forums (one car site, and one booksite), not 'twc.com', 'devientart' or 'eliteskills' or any other crap like that.
I am NOT promoting illegal action...how you infer that I don't know. I realize I should have been more clear but I think if some of you had read my original post more closely and ASKED for clarification then a lot of this could have been avoided.
My thanks to those of you that answered honestly, and I would like to know more about fixes for service M9s (although it is also against Army regs to modify a issue firearm with non-issue parts, I don't see anyone crying 'ucmj' to the people who suggest spring swapping).
For us prior military I hope you can see our skepticism. We’ve dealt with a few trolls around her so when a post like this pops up we will question it. I will give you the benefit of the doubt- can’t say that about the others here though.
I can certainly understand that there are people out 'here' trying to stir up trouble. Thank you for understanding. By all means ask any questions of me you feel you have to...but its a bit disheartening to come back after one day to 2 pages of sniping.
I would recommend you read into the regs yourself to clarify what is actually acceptable. Often times I have asked one of my superiors something and after further reading discovered that the answer given was not the correct answer. As far as personal firearms I would say that even if authorized (be careful in what you choose). Changing mags or springs does not affect the lethality of said firearm but like pointed out it too is modification of said duty weapon.
I can't even count the numbers of times my superiors have given me erroneous information.
If your unit is short on M9s, you should be able to borrow some from TACOM at your mobilization station. My unit did that, and all our TACOM pistols were in good condition (I inspected every last one of them).
In any event, carrying personal weapons in theater is against CENTCOM General Order #1 and a breach of UCMJ, so there's really not much left to discuss. Thread closed.
Last edited by Mike Barham; 07-08-2008 at 12:08 PM.