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    Water resistance?

    How do most modern autoloading handguns function when subject to water? While I bash people that want Glocks simply because they are said to be fully functional when completely submerged, it seems that if one was in a wet environment (such as a boating), having a handgun that could function when completely submerged would most definitely function with a few sprays here and there.

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    Now, I haven't actually dunked numerous guns, but it would seem to me that most of them would work after being submerged so long as rust hadn't set in. I mean we're not dealing with electronics.

    I would think the weak link would be the ammo, since all bets are off if the bullets get waterlogged. Unless you're saying the Glock guys claim their guns are waterproof. I'd find that hard to believe since there's no hatch at the end of the barrel. Although I did see one at the range the other day with a periscope attached to the tac rail
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    If they won't stand up to a bit of soap and water they aren't worth having. If it falls in the drink recover it, shake it out and bang away.


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    +1 for the mall ninjas

    The Glock 17 may be equipped with an optional set of maritime spring cups for use in water environments. Maritime spring cups are not intended for submerged firing, but for surface use by special ops teams who operate in and around water. The maritime spring cups are two small parts within the firing pin assembly and are not included on any Model 17 sold by Glock (civilians can only get them through 3rd parties). They insure that water can pass by the firing pin within the firing pin channel, thus preventing the creation of hydraulic force within the firing pin channel -- which would slow the firing pin down, causing light primer strikes. With the special cups, the action will cycle reliably while submersed, if a little bit slower. NATO specification ammunition (such as Winchester's Ranger RA9124N) with waterproof sealed primers and case mouths is recommended.

    Although you may install the maritime spring cups on any Glock model, *only* the Glock 17 was designed and intended to use the modified spring cups for aquatic firing -- and only then using 9mm ball ammunition to remain within acceptable pressure limits. The foolhardy who insist on living dangerously must keep several things in mind: The Glock 17 must be fully submersed underwater. There must not be any air left within the pistol as the muzzle is pointed towards the surface of the water after submersion to allow the air in the barrel to escape. Use only full metal jacket, ball-type ammunition because the water within the barrel can spread a hollow point out within the barrel upon firing. This increases the bearing surface of the bullet to the barrel and could catastrophically increase pressures. Even if the barrel doesn't burst, the expanded bullet would get even bigger upon exiting into the water and would slow down very quickly while tumbling. Accuracy would be terrible.

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    submoa, excellent and informative post, as usual. Not that I will ever shoot my Glocks underwater, since I am not a mall ninja, and I live in the desert anyway.
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    I figured most would function with a bit of wetness as they're completely mechanical. The reason I ask is I do a lot of fishing and canoeing, and I occasionally get a splash from a 2-pound bass, but it's usually from Dad who loves to soak me with a swat from a paddle. We have ridiculously large paddles and they're great for nearing drowning someone with a single splash.

    But I guess I won't be taking my Halo 2 battle rifle on the water with me. The digital magazine readout would probably short out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fivehourfrenzy View Post
    I figured most would function with a bit of wetness as they're completely mechanical. The reason I ask is I do a lot of fishing and canoeing, and I occasionally get a splash from a 2-pound bass, but it's usually from Dad who loves to soak me with a swat from a paddle. We have ridiculously large paddles and they're great for nearing drowning someone with a single splash.

    But I guess I won't be taking my Halo 2 battle rifle on the water with me. The digital magazine readout would probably short out.
    Knowing why you ask is sometimes as important as the question. When you return home from your Aquatic ventures clean your gun and re oil it.

    Mikes once a year desert environment drill will not serve you well under those circumstances.

    You should be a walking encyclopedia of gun lore by now. Is your head getting heavy?



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    Quote Originally Posted by TOF View Post
    Mikes once a year desert environment drill will not serve you well under those circumstances.
    Hey now, I clean my Glocks twice a year!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fivehourfrenzy View Post
    I figured most would function with a bit of wetness as they're completely mechanical. The reason I ask is I do a lot of fishing and canoeing, and I occasionally get a splash from a 2-pound bass, but it's usually from Dad who loves to soak me with a swat from a paddle. We have ridiculously large paddles and they're great for nearing drowning someone with a single splash.
    Seems like a high price to pay for getting you wet. I wonder how many Dads you have gone through...

    I'd suggest you rent a movie called, "Shoot 'Em Up." Ignoring the delusional (yet entertaining) violent fantasy, there is a scene where the hero gets his gun wet. You might want to pay attention to how he remedies this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by submoa View Post
    Seems like a high price to pay for getting you wet. I wonder how many Dads you have gone through...

    I'd suggest you rent a movie called, "Shoot 'Em Up." Ignoring the delusional (yet entertaining) violent fantasy, there is a scene where the hero gets his gun wet. You might want to pay attention to how he remedies this.
    I just saw that movie for the first time last week, it was quite an enjoyable movie. Nonstop shooting, hence the name

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOF View Post
    Knowing why you ask is sometimes as important as the question. When you return home from your Aquatic ventures clean your gun and re oil it.

    Mikes once a year desert environment drill will not serve you well under those circumstances.

    You should be a walking encyclopedia of gun lore by now. Is your head getting heavy?


    It's getting a bit heavy but that's partially due to sleepiness, and I'm recovering from confusion after watching Saw IV. I didn't understand the plot's coexistence with Saw III until I went back and watched it again, then read about it online.

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    FiveHour,

    I think I found your next gun...

    Check out this link: HK P11

    Be sure and read the couple of paragraphs about this gun, it's pretty interesting.

    Good Luck!

    Ben

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    Hey now, I clean my Glocks twice a year!
    whether they need it or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by niadhf View Post
    whether they need it or not?
    I figure in six months, between the two Glocks, I've only fired maybe 3000-4000 rounds (assuming I haven't taken a class). That's only 1500-2000 rounds each. A Glock will easily go well beyond that without actually "needing" a cleaning. Neither Glock has ever malfunctioned in my hands, or my wife's.

    So, to answer your question, yes - whether they need it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    I figure in six months, between the two Glocks, I've only fired maybe 3000-4000 rounds (assuming I haven't taken a class). That's only 1500-2000 rounds each. A Glock will easily go well beyond that without actually "needing" a cleaning. Neither Glock has ever malfunctioned in my hands, or my wife's.

    So, to answer your question, yes - whether they need to or not.
    So, does that make me some kind of psycho because I clean them after ever time I go shooting? I do something else which I won't mention...you'll all think I'm some kind of freak or something

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeefyBeefo View Post
    So, does that make me some kind of psycho because I clean them after ever time I go shooting?
    Not at all. Most gun guys are appalled by my cleaning schedule, and clean much more frequently. I think most of it is how you look at your guns.

    For me, the Glocks are just objects made for a rather narrow spectrum of uses, so I don't baby them. They are here to take care of me, not vice-versa. I don't care if I pass them on to my children or grandchildren or whatever, and I don't care if they get dirty in the course of using them as the tools they are. They work with complete reliability on this cleaning schedule, and that's all I ask of them.

    Lots of guys look at guns differently than I do. Some shooters are fascinated by the mechanics of guns, and like to take them apart to view the insides. Other guys have an emotional attachment to their guns, and like to keep them spotlessly clean. Nothing wrong with either of these views on pistols. I just don't happen to share them.

    To me, cleaning guns is a necessary chore. To others, its a pleasure. I avoid it while others look forward to it.
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    I love it. I baby my guns like I do my car. Cleaning them is a relaxed, yet focused act. Great way to end the night.

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