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    Need a 9mm that will shoot 2'' groups at 25 yds

    I would like recommendations for a 9mm that will consistently shoot 2" groups at 25 yards. If possible does such a gun exists in a carry model? I would also like to keep expenses to about $500.

    Thanks in advance for your help!
    Rick

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    There are lots of 9mm guns that will produce about a 2" group at 25yds.

    There are very few shooters who can produce 2" groups at 25yds.

    There are very few SIGHTS on a 9mm gun that will produce 2" groups at 25yds.

    By "carry model" do you mean 3" barrel? Good luck... Most highly customized, $2000+ 1911 Model 5" target guns will shoot 2" or less, from a rest, inside 3 inches in the hand of a pro.

    Physically capable, yes. Practically feasible, no.

    My XD45 4”, with 2 days per week of practice, and thousands of rounds down range, and years of experience, will produce 1.5” groups off-hand at 7yds, 2.5-3.0” groups at 10-15yds, and 5-6” groups at 25yds. Off a rest??? I haven’t shot my XD45 off a rest at 25yds, but I bet it’s 2.0-2.5” capable. An XD9 Tactical (5”), would no doubt be as good.

    No doubt a Sig, Glock, HK, etc would/could be as good, but most guns are much more accurate than the hand that holds them, or the ammo in them...

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    What Jeff said is the Gospel preacher.

    It's not so much what the gun can do for you as what you will do to the gun that determines ultimate accuracy.



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    I have nothing to add that hasn't been addressed. It's the "shooter" who puts the rounds into a 2" diameter at 25 yards, with a stock $500.00 automatic.

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    A Glock 34 with a steady hand.

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    To be a bit more helpfull regarding the specific question:

    Steady bench with lots of sand bags.

    XD40 Tactical (5"): Best 5 shot group at 15 yards 5/8 inch
    XD9 Service (4"): Best 5 shot group at 15 yards 3/4 inch
    M&P40 (4 1/4"): Best 5 shot group at 15 yards 3/4 inch
    M&P9 (4 1/4"): Best 5 shot group at 15 yards 3/4 inch

    15 yards because of failing eyesight.
    This data was gathered during numerous shoots when testing bullet/powder/charge etc and represent the best I could do not the guns best.


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    I guess I am asking about the capability of the gun.....that way I know that the "potential" accuracy is there. Oh....and thanks for "the gospel" reference.....lol. Maybe which gun has the most potential accuracy would have been a better question.

    You guys are the greatest!!! Thanks for the help!!!!

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    You can make most any gun shoot accurately with some fitting work by improving its lock-up with a gunsmith, but this is will cost you money. Are you looking for a gun for target shooting or for defensive purposes. A handgun that shoots 2" groups consistently is a pretty high demand. Most marksmen are not even capable of producing groups this well on a repeatable basis. Most of the big names like Glock, FNP, S&W, Springfield, etc, that are priced aroun $500 will produce groupings 3"-4" on a regular basis which is more then sufficient for Self defense purposes and they are reliable. Some target guns are tuned for a specific load and are very finicky and won't digest every type of loading you put through it, and these guns tend to be quite pricey. S&W 952 Performance Center-$2544.00, SIG X-five $2000+, there are many 1911 target models made by various manufactuers starting at $900 and up.

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    cz75 has been considered one of the most accurate handguns right out of the box and the price is pretty decent.

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    If 2" from a rest at 25 yards with a 9mm were important to me, I'd get a 1911 or Browning P35, and have a gunsmith install/fit a Bar-Sto barrel, and do a trigger job.

    However, if you are looking for out of the box, a SIG P210 will do that. The SIG P210 is the most intrinsically accurate 9mm you can buy. Bring your checkbook.

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    The SIG 210, very nice, probably the best action I have ever felt on any production gun, but yeah if you want the supercar of handguns expect to pay supercar prices.

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    My XD9 would probably fit the bill. As I get better the gun looks better. I have the 4 inch. The 5 inch would be even more of a nail driver.

    This same thing could be said for any glock, sig, XD, M&P, 1911, etc. out there that is in good working condition.

    If you want to make a really hardcore target gun, you're talking some serious tuning and tightening, as well as dedicating the gun to a single ammunition.

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    Look around for a good used Browning Hi Power. I bought both of these for close to your cost range for each and they shoot quite accurately, even with the low end Winchester White Box 9mm from WalMart.



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    As others have stated it is much more the shooter than the gun. Even my Sigma will shoot 2 inch patterns at 25 yards, the problem is it's owner can't.

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    I am curious about the reason you 'need' to consistently produce 2" groups at 25 yds with a 'carry' pistol.

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    75 feet accuracy for a "carry gun"...

    Submoa is right, since statistics indicate most defensive shootings occur with 10-15 feet. You shoot someone at 75 feet, you better have a very good practicing criminal defense attorney in your speed dial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SigZagger View Post
    You shoot someone at 75 feet, you better have a very good practicing criminal defense attorney in your speed dial.
    That's sound advice even if you end up shooting a guy a contact distance.

    I'd be happy with a carry gun that shot into 4" at 25. The chances of me needing to make a head shot around a hostage at 25 yards with a pistol are essentially non-existent. I can't shoot well enough under stress to take advantage of a 2"/25yd carry gun, anyway.

    As the other fellows have mentioned, guns that shoot that accurately are a heck of a lot more common than shooters who can do the same.
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    It's not the gun; it's the guy behind the trigger. Practically any production handgun will, if strapped to a bench, shoot a 2" group at 25 yards. In the hands of a shooter, however, there are far more factors.

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    Try a shotgun.

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    Educate me up....

    I guess I am looking for the best possible carry weapon......it's all in how you phrase the question. I would like one gun that could be CC and used to perhaps shoot some IDPA in the future.

    Searching for that all elusive perfect gun.............

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