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    What kind of combat?

    In the fields of Europe and ridges of Korea, the M1 Rifle was unsurpassed. In the jungle type warfare of Viet Nam, the M14 seemed good.

    For the soldier, the shoulder fired rifle beats the handgun all hollow. the quad-fifty, the 105mm Howitzer, these are superb military weapons.

    So, for a military sidearm, maybe a Colt Single Action Army, M1917 Colt or Smith & Wesson, or, if it has to be an auto loader, the M1911A1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Niner View Post
    No one really can. But if a person continually waits for the "perfect" weapon, they'll never find anything at all. Or worse, they'll spend a large chunk of their life jumping from their current gun to the newest/bestest/neat-o gun-of-the-month, never developing any serious level of skill along the way (me, 25 years ago). The weakest points in the defensive chain are the user's skills and his/her trained response (software), NOT the hardware. But you gotta have some kind of hardware to build the skills and refine the software.

    Just "pull the trigger" and pick one. Same applies to ammo. There ain't no magic bullet, just pick one that has a rep as being reasonably effective and that you can afford to shoot LOTS of, and then shoot LOTS of them (preferably with some training/guidance in advance), and get good. This course of action will also give a person a solid basis for judging new guns against what has worked best for them in the past.
    Right, but what I ment was that evern gun has flaws or has people who don't like them. The ultimate weapon should be comfortable for everyone, accurate without fail, work in the worst conditions. That weapon doesn't exist yet.

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    If I only had a sidearm in a combat situation, times would be dire indeed.

    As a backup weapon in combat, I would want a pistol that weighs no more than 2.5 lbs loaded. Furthermore, I would want one I have been training with regularly to the point where I rely more on muscle memory than sight picture.

    Without question, it must be utterly reliable, tolerant of submersion in salt water, mud and sand, consistently delivering COM hits out to 25yds.

    Initially, I would want to be loaded with fresh subsonic JHP rounds to reduce my acoustic signature (a can is for assasination, the tradeoff of weight and size is not worth it for a backup weap) and moly coat the bullets in advance. The pistol should be also tolerant of dirty ammo and of a caliber compatible with those in use by the enemy. If I can't scavenge a proper battle rifle from a casualty or enemy, I want their ammo. Any and all jams should be able to be cleared without use of tools and not cause lasting damage to the weapon.

    To narrow it down any more than that you need to select an enemy: Haji, Kim Il, Boris, etc.

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    Not that soldiers (except a few secret squirrel ninja types) can select their own pistols, anyway. And as several people have pointed out, pistols are inconsequential battlefield weapons, if we're talking about military combat.

    Regarding the 5.7mm round as a good pistol choice against an armored "conventional army," it's pointless. My personal body armor will defeat 7.62X51mm AP, never mind some little hotrodded .22. With a pistol versus opponents in hard armor, it's face shots or nothing, so you're just as well off with the common 9mm as anything else. Most damage to armored combatants is done with explosives rather than small arms, anyway.

    I would not choose any revolver for military purposes. And veering slightly off topic, while I like my "power plinker" Garand a great deal, I would vastly prefer my little M4 for real combat in a military context.
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    I think my ideal combat pistol would be the one that follows Murphy's Law 100%, meaning that since I am prepared for a fight, a fight will never happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dredd View Post
    Right, but what I meant was that every gun has flaws or has people who don't like them. The ultimate weapon should be comfortable for everyone, accurate without fail, work in the worst conditions. That weapon doesn't exist yet.

    This gun cannot exist because a gun will not and cannot be comfortable for every person. People have different size hands and no one gun will fit them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dredd View Post
    Right, but what I ment was that evern gun has flaws or has people who don't like them. The ultimate weapon should be comfortable for everyone, accurate without fail, work in the worst conditions. That weapon doesn't exist yet.
    And by that definition, I don't think it ever will, if it requires agreement on one or more features by any group of human beings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Niner View Post
    And by that definition, I don't think it ever will, if it requires agreement on one or more features by any group of human beings.
    That's why I can't say the "ultimate gun" exists

    Closest i've seen is something like the HK P30 or HK45 which have adjustable grips. Maybe even the M&P but then there are other things people are picky about. *shrug*

    I say find one that is comfortable and then try it. If it shoots well then you found your gun

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    If you're looking for a great weapon straight out of the box that doesn't require much modification pick up a Sig at the shop and run some rounds through it.

    I love my P229r SCT. It comes standard with a TruGlo tritium fiber optic front sight, Siglite rear sight, four 17 rounds mags for the 9mm version (14 rounds mags for the .40), feels great in my hand, and shoots far more accurately then I'll ever be able to shoot it. Plus in 9mm it's cheap, easy, and fun to shoot.

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