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    ruger ve keltec photo

    i just uploaded a photo of the new ruger and the keltec side by side to see the differences that the new ruger has
    notice the rear of the slide serrations and the extractor also the front of the finger guard is more forward

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    I'm eager to see that photo.

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    Rugher has two new pistols:380,9mm.

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    Photo can be seen here:

    http://www.handgunforum.net/gallery/....php?photo=230

    Both these guns are .380 caliber. Thanks for uploading this, hideit; great comparison photo!

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    Wow! Is that an obvious knock-off, or what? They just took a Kel-Tec and put a Ruger logo on it! Sincerest form of flattery, I guess.

    You'd think if you were going to rip off a design, you'd at least make improvements. The one deficiency of the Kel-Tec is the anemic sights. Ruger could have put on a wider blade and a wider notch, but instead, they just copied the afterthought sights of the Kel-Tec. That would have been the only reason to change. Now, they'll just have to compete on price.

    Just curious -- I wonder if any parts will interchange -- like magazines, for example.

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    Yeah, I noticed that even the assembly pins are in the exact same places. Extractor looks mildly different, though. I wonder if Ruger is paying KelTec a royalty.
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    Holy rip off! The grip is slightly different.

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    I've got a P11 that had to make 2 trips to the factory before working correctly. Keltec has excellent customer service but it would have been nice to work out the kinks on the gun before it was sent out.

    To me, Ruger means reliability and I'm hoping that this gun will be reliable. It's the perfect "go anywhere gun".

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    Are the photos to the same scale?

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    Quality Comparison?

    Hello All, this is my first post after a while of lurking.

    Has anyone seen/held the new Ruger LCP? Can anyone comment on its construction?

    I have happily owned a Kel-Tec P3AT for about a year as my every day carry gun. It fits into the pocket of whatever I am wearing and still fires a 380 round which is, IMHO, the smallest I would consider for protection. However, I have been more and more disappointed with the quality of the little gun. After a year of regular carry, plus regular range time keeping my accuracy up, it is looking a bit rough around the edges. I expect that soon I will no longer feel comfortable carrying it or firing it.

    Entre the Ruger LCP; a gun which looks very similar to the P3AT (lawsuit similar, if you ask me).

    Can anyone comment on the quality of the LCP? I have all the dimensions, and it is just a bit bigger and a bit heaver, but nothing significant. The LCP looks to be just as great a pocket gun as the P3AT.

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    Never had the P3AT, but I really liked the P32 I carried for a year or so. It
    surprises me that Ruger would even produce a pistol like this-it seems contrary to the many years of making only service size pistols and kind of looking down their nose at those who made sneaky little pocket guns-even their small frame revolvers are a little larger than the rest.

    FWIW I'd go back to Keltec because mine was exactly what I wanted it to be, and was very reliable and even relatively accurate.

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    I don't give a damn what my pocket gun looks like as long as it's reliable. I carry it in my pocket. Breakage is one thing, but a simple worn finish or even a spot of rust matters to me not a whit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    I don't give a damn what my pocket gun looks like ...
    Obviously you feel the same way your primary or else you wouldn't be carrying that ugly ol' Glock.

    The P3AT ain't pretty, but I'm know mine works just fine and will fire when I pull the trigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    I don't give a damn what my pocket gun looks like as long as it's reliable. I carry it in my pocket. Breakage is one thing, but a simple worn finish or even a spot of rust matters to me not a whit.
    The Kel-tec will never be a pretty gun, but thats not my point. After about 18 months of carrying it I have a small crack in the grip, and now it takes a rubber hammer to get the assembly pin back in after a cleaning. The main guts (barrel, slide, etc) are in reasonable repair.

    Being a pocket gun is not at easy life. It gets bumped into things, rattled around with car keys, etc. I would just prefer something a little more solid, and perhaps of a bit higher quality.

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    I bet KelTec would fix it for little or no charge. How many rounds do you have through it?
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    I don't own stock in kel tec or ruger or any other gun company but I've owned enough rugers to know they don't have a monopoly on quality and kel tec, although not as "pretty", doesn't have a monopoy on low quality.MY situation may be unique but rugers have given me lots more quality problems than kel tecs. With a perfectly functioning p3at and 380 not being a caliber I'm overly comfortable with for self defense, I won't be on the LCP bandwagon.....at least til it's proven and I really get a deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    I bet KelTec would fix it for little or no charge. How many rounds do you have through it?
    Probably thousands of rounds. I practice with it every other week or so for the past 18+ months. I will call Kel-Tec and see what they say.

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