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    Guns from Canada

    I've got a friend that's a Canadian citizen, married to an American, and lives down the road. He's got a bunch of rifles that he wants to have his dad ship to him here. I've told him to call the ATF, but also said I'd see if anyone here has brought guns into the US from Canada. So, has anyone done this and if so, what hoops did you have to jump through?

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    One of my colleagues at Galco is an expatriate Canuck. I'll shoot him an email with the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barham View Post
    One of my colleagues at Galco is an expatriate Canuck. I'll shoot him an email with the question.
    Thanks!

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    As a Canadian living in the U.S. with another Canadian friend who's trying the same thing - this is what we've discovered:

    You can't have them shipped them thru the border unless they are in pieces and are classified as "non-functional"

    The other option:

    First and foremost - the guns in question have to be registered with the Canadian Gov't to be able to get an export waiver to allow the guns to be exported- to be hand delivered with the guns to Canadian Customs by the seller.

    Second - you need to call ATF and aquire the proper import forms and somehow present those as to Canadian Customs so they can "hand-off" the paperwork and guns back to US Customs.

    Third - (this part I'm not sure of) - then a local FFL dealer/or customs official must call in the paperwork with your "Green Card" Number to ATF to get permission to actually own the guns thru the "Enhanced Federal BG Checks" that only apply to Non-U.S. citizens with residency status.

    Fourth - This is the craziest. AS A RESIDENT ALIEN IN THE U.S. - YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BUY GUNS IF YOU HAVE LEFT THE U.S. FOR ANY REASON REGARDLESS FOR HOW LONG! YOU MUST MAINTAIN 90 CONSECUTIVE DAYS OF ACTUALLY STANDING ON U.S. SOIL - Don't cross the BORDER!!

    This just had this happen to me over xmas. - I tried to buy a handgun with my xmas cash (I bought my 92FS in Nov. 07' +1 my rifles over the past couple of yrs - the wifey got her's w/np using her name & info because she's a U.S. citizen by birth), and was warned that If I tried to submit the application - INTERPOL would be notified if it was dicovered thru BG checks that a vehicle registered to me was thru any border crossing in the past 90 days. So I would now be "flagged" as a potential gun runner....yep....gun runner.

    And to add insult to injury - would be added indefinately to the Homeland Security Terror Watch List and that would interfere w/any future U.S. Immigration process I undertake.


    My recomendation - If your friend plans on living/staying in the U.S. - buy the guns here like everybody else, and endure the hightened scrutiny surounding him.


    And hey if I'm WAY OUT TO LUNCH on this, I'll be the first to admit it since some of this info is strictly hearsay but most from personal experience, and look forward to someone educating me on my ignorance - and would like any info I can get for my friend in the same boat.

    I've made the decision to go for my citizenship this year. Hassles aside, I can put them them into perspective living in this Post 9-11 World. I plan to stay a long time & raise my family right here.


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    Great info! I'm passing it on right now.

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    NP

    I tend to "rant" a wee bit. I hope the info helps.

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    Here's what my Canuck buddy has to say:

    "He can ship them to the US, but there are many hurdles to overcome. Due to some idiots in the early 90’s shipping 2 Apache helicopters to Iraq, the dealer in Canada will have to apply for an export permit first from the Canadian Firearms Centre and the local Registrar of Firearms and then the US dealer can apply for an import permit. I will check with one of my Canadian dealers to verify as I have heard this process can take up to 6 months.

    "Buying a gun in the US is straight forward with some extra steps depending on what state the guy lives in and shipping the guns in means going though NICS check etc. Most states do not have any dramatic hoops...In most states you fill out the same form as everyone else but you have to bring along your Permanent Resident card (green card) and 3 months of utility receipts to prove residency. A state drivers license and concealed carry permit are not enough to prove residency. I am assuming that since he is married to an American citizen that he has his green card, or his Work Permit Authorization. He has to find a Dealer in Canada willing to ship and a dealer in the US willing to receive, the normal cost to receive long guns is about $25 for the first one and additional ones $10-15 each plus the cost from the Canadian dealer which may be $50 CDN each plus freight charges and customs brokering.

    "On the Canadian side, hopefully all of the rifles have been registered, as this will be a problem getting a Canadian dealer to accept a gun for shipment that doesn’t have a green registration slip. There is an amnesty currently in effect until May ’08 to register long guns if they are not, it may or may not apply. (http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/bulletins/2007/20070517_e.asp)

    "The cheapest way to get them into the US is to drive them across the border if the guy can prove he is the Canadian registered owner, when he goes to customs, have his customs declaration already typed out with all of the firearms listed and serial numbers, his green card, drivers license, birth certificate (or after the summer of 2008 passport) and utility receipts. The Canadian green slips must be in his name in order to make this work. Be prepared to be in Customs for a long time and be patient. A call to US Customs is definitely a starting point as it has been a few years since I brought my guns down and checking with the ATF is also a good idea as some firearms available for routine purchase in the US are not able to be imported. Pick a state that is not Washington, as he would have to comply with the Alien License as well, start in the morning and plan to spend the day getting through. They will stop you and make you go through Immigration first (an hour or more) as soon as you mention firearms then you get to go to Customs. Do not cross in the middle of the night, as they will think you are trying to pull something, go just after the morning rush.

    "Simply, it may be easier to sell them in Canada and buy new guns in the US.

    "Jim"

    Hope this helps your buddy, along with cupz71's detailed post!
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    Thanks Mike, I'll pass it along.

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