Current shortlist of contenders for my 1st
Ok so I mentioned the used 92F stainless a friend has for sale.
Also I've investigated the M&P's, XD's, the Walther P99 or maybe the S&W version.. All appear to be quite popular in the poly-frames.
After seeing the pricing, the HK's and Sig's are pretty much too hot for my blood.
I think I'm going to have to add the Taurus 24/7 Pro pistols to the list..
They appear to be a quality pistol just from what I've been able to read up on them. The trigger system that returns to DA mode with a mis-fired primer looks intriguing.. Don't know if that's something that any of the others do as well. The grip just from appearances, looks like it's very comfortable.. reminds me of the Walther p99 grip.
Your thoughts or feedback about the Taurus 24/7 Pros or OSS?? accuracy, reliability, safety, etc.
Well I think you have a good list there. I have both an XD-45 service, and a walther p99 AS 9mm. I have not had 1 prob out of either of them both shoot very accurate I was going to add a 1911 to the mix but I am so pleased with both of these weapons that I cant find a reason to add another semi auto at this point.
Looks like $400 to $600 is pretty much the shelf price of about all these popular guns... I think I'll really know when I get the rentals on the range.. Woops.. sorry.. Add a CZ of what flavor I haven't decided yet to that list.. possibly a P01 or SP01 or maybe even a 97 B. I'm all over the map.. There are things I like about decockers on the beretta, CZ, etc.. but also grip safeties on the XD's.. Really dug how the grip of the CZ's felt though.
I think it'll have to be the one I can actually hit the target with and feels great doing it.. Now if I can just get over there.
babs; Add to your thinking
Ruger SR9 $399.00
Cougar 8000 $359.00
XD 9 $499.00
SP 101 $299.00 & up
GP 100 $499.00
CZ don't know squat about
Taurus 24/7 $389.00
Fun; just thinking about this
P99 does the same thing - a misfire/hangfire brings the gun back into DA.
Noticing your signature mentioning the FN forum...
Just from a learning standpoint, I've been looking at the not-so-well known companies such as the usual suspects for a American boy like myself (S&W, Springfield, Ruger, Taurus, etc)... So I've been reading up on Kahr / Auto Ordinance, Charles Daly, etc blah blah blah... The lesser known names to a novice.
I'm sure I'll learn up on the web, but what's the story with FN?
A European company but also partnered or owners of some traditionally US names? Just in googling I see they have something to do with Browning, Weatherby?, Winchester..
Their FNP pistols looking very much like Sig's ??? or maybe a little like HK's? Interesting.. 1st impression of their site looks like they cater mostly to military / tactical arms. Gorgeous looking bolt action rifles also.
Their front page says: "75% of all the small arms currently used by U.S. Forces around the globe proudly bear the name FN."
....wwwwhat???? rreeeeeeeeally? hmm Ok.. learn something every day.
neophyte.. Thanks.. yeah I went into the range shop and it was like a kid in a candy store. hehe.. Wow it's amazing how much there is to chose from.. It ain't just no one or two companies out there makin' shootin' irons. It's overwhelming to a handgun newb for sure.
Ok.. (I'm sure there are lovers and haters of this pistol) but I'm at least glad there's one sure enough 1911 style that's in the budget (though I do know you can buy some real junk in 1911 copies if you're not careful).. but the reviews seem to be good... Yep, I'll try to get a look at the Taurus PT1911 while I'm looking.
maybe I can slip out the door and make a run for it this weekend to the range.
Oh yeah, and the baby desert eagle by IMI for Mag Research... nice!
.. can I just get one of each?
From my Sigline, you can see I'm a huge Sig fan boy. Of course that would be my first recommendation. I understand and respect your price constraints and so I say with total confidence, get the M&P.
I owned one for a week...
I actually sold/traded it, for yet another gun, to sell to yet another person. I did it to help two friends.
Once I was allowed to shoot the M&P I was stunned at it's accuracy, feel, and construction.
I own and XD and I'm not sure if I like it or not.
I also want a P99, but after shooting the M&P, I want one of those, again, more so after Christmas, I'll have a a new M&P.
S&W also has a nice rebate/extra mag deal going on that makes it even more attractive.
The M&P is definitely on the shortlist.. I think I've inadvertently picked all the recent yearly award winners. hehe
Also adding a P89 or P90 Ruger to the list to try if possible. Nice price in a design that's been around long enough to prove itself and in metal frame.. maybe the P89 or P90 .45 acp. I'm seeing them for a good bit less than $400 which is definitely not the norm compared to the XD's, M&Ps and about any of the other hot pistols out there currently.. especially not in a non-1911 metal-frame such as a Kahr or Sig. Made in USA has a nice ring to it as well.
Wow your list of stuff to shoot is really long... your going to spend 100 bucks at the range renting... I think one of the first things you should do is go in and hold all those guns and dry fire them. Honestly on my recent quest for a poly framed pistol that alone nocked my list down to 2 or 3 guns.
Yeah I've said before somewhere in here my list is "all over the map".
I'll probably be spending more than that in just the range lessons and ccw class for sure anyway, so I figure I'm going to be vested into it regardless.. It will probably serve as my single one-and-only pistol for a good while.
I'm about ready to rule out the XD due to finish/rust criticisms I'm seeing pop up, even on the XD forum.. Just enough to desuade me.. though it's a hot item.
I've about ruled out the Beretta because of price of the other friend's used one is steep, compared to new and I don't find myself particularly attracted to the 92's due to some rather less-than-stellar service life articles here and there (contentious statement I'll bet)... Not opinions of mine but just observations of what I'm seeing in reviews and forums.
HK's I'm fairly sure are just over the budget altogether.
Don't think I'm going to be a Glock fan, just due to kaboom write-ups (yeah I know that'll offend.. again not my opinion, just what I'm reading a lot of) and I think I prefer a 1911 style grip angle.
So I'm pretty much leaning:
Ruger P90 or P89 - "brick with a trigger" made in good ole' US of A
An affordable US made 1911 if such a gun exists.
Sig metal-frame if I can find one affordable.. big keyword "IF"
CZ.. depending on if it sells me at the range
... So for the most part I've underlined the big three, the others will have to sell me.
Take a little heat off yourself in making your decision.
1) None of the guns you are looking at are "bad" choices.
2) Trust me, this is only your "first" gun, not your "only" gun.
3) See #1: Whatever you buy, you will love.
4) Come down to South Texas and I'll let you shoot my Ruger in 9mm, my 1911 style Kimber in .45, and my PX4 Storm in 9mm. My wife might allow you to handle her Glock 19 (9mm), too.
5) Find a forum member in your area and get with him/her to try out some guns.
6) Remember Numbers 1 & 2 above. Go buy a gun that you can afford and have a great time learning about guns. Your second gun buying decision will be based on what you learned about your first gun.
Never argue with drunks or crazy people.
My buddy is bringing his P89 to town over the holidays to try out.. Aught to be enlightening to shooting a p series and the feel of a 9mm for comparison to other rounds.
So the more I learn and read and get chances here and there to handle a few at the store counters.. I think it's a culmination of choices to make for more than just metal or poly.
Internal striker (glock/XD style) vs external hammer (1911/Sig/CZ/Ruger/etc)
DA/SA or DAO or SA <--- A biggie.. and the lines appear very gray with some actions
Safety or Safety/Decocker (I kinda like the idea of a decocker but don't have the education to say exactly why)
Other safety's (1911/XD grip safety) (trigger and/or firing pin safety)
Capacity (I like the idea of ample amounts of shells as long as the grip isn't a brick.. but I actually haven't handled a gun yet that I felt I couldn't get my size L - XL paws around)
Price is definitely becoming a major determining factor, but I'm thinking there's more to value to an established gun with plenty of parts and holsters/grips etc available.
... Sure not as easy as Softail or Dyna or Tour-bike or V-Rod. (I'll take the softail, thanks)
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